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Germany to Hungary: New constitution breaches EU values (Bans Abortion, Protects Marriage)
euobserver.com ^ | 04/19/2011 | Leigh Phillips

Posted on 04/21/2011 7:35:08 AM PDT by Pyro7480

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To: mewykwistmas; Pecos

Pecos’ analogy is valid. Germany has zero moral authority to demand the murder of Hungarian pre-born or the subversion of Hungarian marriage, despite anything the EU claims as its “values.”


41 posted on 04/21/2011 9:14:37 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: cartan
how would you like a bunch of Obama-appointed government henchmen overseeing the media

The linked article says nothing about government henchmen overseeing the media. What is your source?

42 posted on 04/21/2011 9:22:29 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mewykwistmas; Pyro7480

Well, mewykwistmas, you are only something less than half-right.

From the article your referenced it is clear that the “private” pension accounts were NOT like our “401k” plans, and were in fact more like “Fannie and Freddie” accounts, with Hungarian national government guarantees on the performance of the funds.

As it is, the “private pension” accounts brought back into the fold of the national pension system will remain individual accounts and be inheritable to the individual’s spouse.

Altogether it seems more like a “national accounting” change with not much really changing in what will go into the accounts, but the “national deficit” image is altered, for the benefit of the international financiers, by the inclusion of the “private pension” account balances back on the “reserves” side of the national government’s ledger. Given the guarantees that the national government had in place for those accounts all along, it may be less of a change than it would have been in an American context.


43 posted on 04/21/2011 9:40:55 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Gilbo_3

Hopefully, Hungarian Patriots are “cleansing” the last remnants of their internal communist problem...

Good hunting, mates..


44 posted on 04/21/2011 9:43:47 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
The linked article says nothing about government henchmen overseeing the media. What is your source?
The article is quoting the German deputy foreign minister Werner Hoyer, who specifically criticized the new media law. Just google for “Hungary new media law” and you will find as many sources as you want.
45 posted on 04/21/2011 10:10:56 AM PDT by cartan
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To: Pyro7480
...The Hungarian parliament approved the document 262 votes to 44, with the Socialist and green parties boycotting the vote and the far-right Jobbik voting against it....

Fascists, Communists, Socialists, Greens...all the same.

46 posted on 04/21/2011 10:28:01 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
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To: cartan

I’m not pleased with it, but on the other hand, it’s a little odd to hear state-controlled media criticizing Hungary’s plan to monitor the media for terrorist threats. There is no free media in Europe. Try criticizing female circumcision in Germany, and just see how fast it takes the jack boots to come to your door.


47 posted on 04/21/2011 10:36:11 AM PDT by dangus
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To: cartan

Actually, I’m not sure I’m even displeased with the law. It sounds like the gripes are coming from the socialist, state-dependent news media who are upset that the Hungarian version of NPR might be slightly more beholden to the democratic government than to socialist elite.


48 posted on 04/21/2011 10:41:42 AM PDT by dangus
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To: mas cerveza por favor

“Pecos’ analogy is valid. Germany has zero moral authority to demand the murder of Hungarian pre-born or the subversion of Hungarian marriage, despite anything the EU claims as its “values.””


Before you join EU you MUST agree to a lot of crap http://europa.eu/abc/eurojargon/index_en.htm . It’s all voluntary of course, no one forces anyone to join or stay in the EU. So if Hungary doesn’t like that, they can exit EU. Very simple, really, but you cannot go against EU rules and laws and still be in it. Ireland and UK for example have negotiated many waivers with EU.


49 posted on 04/21/2011 11:44:04 AM PDT by mewykwistmas ("The last time the French asked for 'more proof,' it came marching into Paris under a German flag.")
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To: marstegreg

If you like the city life, you’ll like Budapest. Also, south of there, Lake Balaton is one of the finest inland lake recreation areas on the continent. It gets crowded with Germans, though.


50 posted on 04/21/2011 11:48:53 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: NFHale
The Hungarians are brave folk. They took on the Soviets in '56 with little more than their bare hands.


51 posted on 04/21/2011 11:55:25 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: ScottinVA; Gilbo_3; Texas Fossil

“...with little more than their bare hands...”

Never underestimate the power of a good set of balls and a few well-placed Molotov cocktails...


52 posted on 04/21/2011 12:26:05 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sigzero

The EU is doomed to failure because it tries to do too much. It is forcing “one size fits all” rulings on all its member nations, in efect micromanagement by a bunch of clueless bureaucrats in Brussels who think they know everything. The EU would work if it were an organization that made trade between member nations easier, and yes to the point of normalization of standards (technical and other product standards) to facilitate competition. But it goes as far as lawmaking and out of control regulation of local affairs with again “one size fits all cookie cutters”. Thus the rise in nationalist groups, some of them not politically right as we here know what the true right is (free market economics, economic and political freedom, etc.). The member states should be left to manage their own local decision making, much like the United States SHOULD be operating.


53 posted on 04/21/2011 2:58:55 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (All Hail the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: ScottinVA

And one more thing...

All those Soviet armored vehicles had soft, squishy pink centers.

Gasoline and fire are wonderful companions for the oppressed.


54 posted on 04/21/2011 10:06:55 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Pyro7480; WVNan; redgolum; Belteshazzar; xzins; Mad Dawg
The new text (of the Hungarian Constitution), heavy with references to Christianity.

Amen!

We are proud of the fact that our King Stephen, the Saintly Patron of the Hungarian State for a thousand years had built a secure foundation and placed our Fatherland in the line of Christian Europe.

We recognize the role of Christianity in the persistence of the Nation.

And Germany says Germany has warned the conservative Hungarian government that its new constitution, passed by parliament on Monday (18 April), is not compatible with European Union values.

"We are observing the developments in Hungary with great attention and some worry," German deputy foreign minister Werner Hoyer said in an emailed statement. "The media law adopted at the start of the year shows an attitude towards fundamental rights which - despite some amendments - is hardly compatible with European Union values."

errr.. Hoyer, what do you think Germania was founded on? Not EU values but Christian values. What an ignorant person.

55 posted on 04/26/2011 2:15:17 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: dangus
Hey! My Polish in-laws would object to that. There are two Catholic Christian nations: Poland and Hungary :)

Maybe we can also toss in Slovakia. Also when the Spanish and Portuguese wake up and see the deep sh*te that socialism and anti-religion has caused in their countries....

56 posted on 04/26/2011 2:17:29 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: mewykwistmas
Forget right-wing etc. The thing that may break the back is the number of refugees from Libya coming to Italy. Italy has pleaded for help and what has gallant France /sarc done? France closed her borders with Italy (supposed to be open as per the Schengen treaty) and disobeyed EU diktats on refugees.

The EU is France with Germany providing the money. Once the two realize there is no benefit, then bye-bye...

57 posted on 04/26/2011 2:20:17 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: mewykwistmas
All Hungary has to do is leave EU, no is stopping them from doing so.

there is no procedure or process for leaving. That is what my Polish friends objected to when they voted against Poland joining. The EU has no process or even hint of process for leaving the EU. Hungary cannot leave without getting a whole new process put in place.

I would prefer an Eastern European union of Lithuania-Poland-Slovakia-Hungary-Croatia-Bulgaria-Romania-Western Ukraine and maybe Belarus, but that's a pipe-dream

58 posted on 04/26/2011 2:22:53 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog; Opinionated Blowhard
yet had no qualms about helping themselves to the contents of everyone’s 401K.

Yet remember that the conservative elected politicians took a cut in salaries and cut the salaries of government employees and cut many public-sector jobs.

Hungary is a small country of 9 million and they were in deep doo-doo but they wanted to get themselves out of their deep socialist hole without resorting to bankruptcy. Also note that they still retain their own currency the Forint instead of the euro.

Taking the retirement funds was no-alternative way to doing this.

59 posted on 04/26/2011 2:26:01 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: sigzero; pnh102
Some ideas of the EU are good -- there are a lot of border regions that have a mix of populations, dating back to the times when there were no nation states.

for example, the Basques and Catalonians are across France and Spain, the people in Brittany speak a Celtic language related to Welsh, the people of Alsace and Lorraine are frenchified Allemagnais Germanics, the Polabians are Germanised Slavs, the Balkans are filled with mixed ethnicities etc.

And the EU has enabled entities that cross borders like in South Tyrol -- diffusing a lot of tensions.

Also the chances of a European war are also dissipated by the EU.

However I agree that that is where the EU should end. No president of the EU.

Instead of this, the EU should be replaced with Christendom.

pnh - read my post above that there is no procedure to leave.

60 posted on 04/26/2011 2:30:08 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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