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Question to Obama: If rich aren't paying their "fair share," then what's fair?
Washington Examiner ^
| 04/20/2011
| Philip Klein
Posted on 04/20/2011 7:46:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Today, President Obama is kicking off a road show campaigning for raising taxes on higher income earners to help reduce the debt. We'll no doubt hear a lot about how the rich need to pay their fair share. Yet an analysis of tax data shows that wealthier taxpayers already pay a disproportionate amount of taxes and that their share under the current Bush rates is actually slightly higher than at the end of the Clinton era.
In 2008, the most recent year for which full data is available, the infamous top 1% those earning over $380,354 paid 38.02 percent of federal income taxes, according to an analysis of IRS data by the Tax Foundation. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent of income earners the group that, according to the liberal world view, is subsidizing tax handouts to the wealthy shouldered just 2.7 percent of the federal income tax burden. And keep in mind, in 2008, the higher income earners share of taxes slipped from the previous year's 40.4 percent due to the economic downturn.
When you make this argument to liberals, they'll often respond that the only reason such a distribution exists is that there's a lot of income inequality in America. But even if you account for that, the wealthy are paying disproportionately. The top 1 percent, for instance, earned 20 percent of the nation's adjusted gross income in 2008 yet their share of the tax burden was nearly twice that. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent earned 12.75 percent of the nation's income, while their share of the tax burden was about one-fifth of that.
Another way of looking at this is the average tax rates paid by each income level. As you see below, it's much higher at the higher income levels.
Still, some might respond, surely the rich are now paying a smaller share under the Bush tax rates than they were back in the good old Clinton days? Actually, that's not true either. As you can see in the table below, the distribution of the tax burden across income levels was roughly similar in 2000 the last year of the Clinton tax rates then it was in 2008, after the Bush rates had been effect for years. In fact, the rich paid a slightly higher share in 2008.
How could this happen after the Bush administration spent a decade heaping benefits on the rich while squeezing the middle class? Mark Robyn, who co-authored the analysis for the Tax Foundation, noted that the Bush tax cuts were across the board. So when Democrats speak in aggregate dollar terms, they can make it seem as though wealthier Americans are getting a better deal. But that's only because they pay a lot more in taxes, so cutting taxes for all is going to result in a larger dollar figure for them. But if you analyze it as a share of taxes paid, the Bush tax cuts didn't change the distribution.
Of course, this doesn't tell the whole story. It doesn't account for payroll taxes, for instance, which do hit middle and lower income levels. But much of the current debate has focused on the need to raise marginal income tax rates on higher earners while keeping them the same for everybody else. The question is, though, if a society in which the top 1 percent already pay nearly 40 percent of the nation's income taxes (and when combined, the top 10 percent pay nearly 70 percent), then what would it take for liberals to be satisfied that the rich are paying their fair share? Should the top 10 percent pay 90 percent of the taxes? Should the bottom 50 percent pay zero income taxes? President Obama's vision to subsidize the ballooning social safety net by shifting even more of the tax burden on the wealthy while increasing the percentage of people who are net takers in society is simply unsustainable.
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bush; clinton; fairshare; obama; rich; taxes
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To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:47:48 PM PDT
by
fieldmarshaldj
(~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
To: SeekAndFind
Someone ask Obomba how come he took the MORTGAGE deduction on his house....when he isn’t even listed as an owner....????
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:48:01 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
(Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
To: SeekAndFind
Someone ask Obomba how come he took the MORTGAGE deduction on his house....when he isn’t even listed as an owner...and doesn’t pay the taxes.????
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:48:10 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
(Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
To: goodnesswins
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:48:56 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
(Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
To: SeekAndFind
Half the people in this country pay no income tax - how is that fair?
To: SeekAndFind
That’s why Leftists love the phrase “fair.”
“Fair” is a term that has no legal meaning, because laws and contracts are supposed to be precise and exact. “Fair” is essentially an emotional term, and its amorphousness corrupts the law rather than enhances it.
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:50:42 PM PDT
by
denydenydeny
(Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
To: SeekAndFind
If “the RICH” were paying a rate of 99.9%, the “Paul’s” would still be screaming higher taxes on the rich. (Rob Peter to pay Paul).
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:52:47 PM PDT
by
Rembrandt
(.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
To: SeekAndFind
When’s Obowmao going to insist that trust funds and foundations be taxed at the highest rate?
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:53:43 PM PDT
by
Jane Long
(2 Chron 7:14)
To: SeekAndFind
0bama is in no place to complain that we are not paying our fair share as he paid only what, 26% of his income in federal taxes. Why didn’t he voluntarily pay the highest rate for his bracket?
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:54:29 PM PDT
by
pnh102
(Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
To: denydenydeny
So true. And fair has a very different meaning than ‘just’. People should pay ther just share, not ‘fair’ share.
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:54:34 PM PDT
by
DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: SeekAndFind
No matter what rates are forced on the well-compensated, they will simply adjust their earnings platform so that they pay more or less the same fraction of earnings in taxes as ever. This should be the lesson of the Clinton/Bush table.
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posted on
04/20/2011 7:57:41 PM PDT
by
BelegStrongbow
(St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
To: SeekAndFind
What the hell is “fair” about the Earned Income Tax Credit. People being “refunded” big money that they never even put into the system. In Arizona, we call that bull****!
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posted on
04/20/2011 8:05:30 PM PDT
by
FlingWingFlyer
("Game on!" - Sarah Palin 2012)
To: fieldmarshaldj
I did some figuring the other day. The 400 billionaires in the US have a net worth of $1.3 trillion. There are 3,000,000 millionaires. Assume each has $1,000,000 in net worth. Additionally there are 30,000 people worth over $30 million. Assuming the loser took all their net worth (putting millions of people employed by these people out of work) he would only get about $2 trillion.
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posted on
04/20/2011 8:09:21 PM PDT
by
cyclotic
(Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
To: denydenydeny
Fair is essentially an emotional term Yes, and in this instance that emotion is jealousy.
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posted on
04/20/2011 8:11:24 PM PDT
by
seowulf
("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
To: cyclotic
Which is the whole fallacy of this taxing the rich nonsense. Taking everything would still not be enough to pay the bills the left racks up.
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posted on
04/20/2011 8:13:50 PM PDT
by
fieldmarshaldj
(~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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posted on
04/20/2011 8:17:47 PM PDT
by
DJ MacWoW
(America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
To: SeekAndFind
As long as Obama and the rest of his rich Liberal friends itemize on their Tax Forms, they should STFU.
Watching Obama with his “aw shucks” crap about looking at his Tax Form and having a WTF moment with all the money he was paying in Taxes made me want to throw up.
Obama is nothing more than a pencil necked liar manipulating the Useful Idiots who adore him.
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posted on
04/20/2011 8:20:17 PM PDT
by
Kickass Conservative
(One man's Safety Net is another man's Hammock....)
To: SeekAndFind
He and Jeff Immelt should come up with a joint presser about what is a “fair” share of income to pay in taxes.
Exactly how much money should the “rich” give the government to be left alone and in peace.
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posted on
04/20/2011 8:20:28 PM PDT
by
silverleaf
(All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
To: SeekAndFind
Fairness dicated through legal mechanism is a false concept based on the ability to take by those with less from those with more under statutory authority.
Fairness is incidental manifestation of justice. Justice is blind. The terror of those who preach fairness, because she is impartial.
Death centered culture, utilizing any controlled state mechanism and function available at any given point in space/time screaming for fairness is an unjust thing.
My vow to no longer use profanity when enuncinatig conceptual thought is killing me.
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posted on
04/20/2011 8:22:47 PM PDT
by
mmercier
(fear is not the end of this)
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