Posted on 04/19/2011 7:00:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
With Donald Trump's headline-grabbing call for our President to release his birth certificate, more and more people are discussing the circumstances of Obama's birth. Although it seems likely that Obama is hiding something -- the date of birth, the place, the father -- it is highly unlikely that he is concealing a Kenyan nativity.
The President's mother, Ann Dunham and father, Barack Obama, Sr., supposedly met in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii. The time was late September, 1960. For the official birth date of August 4, 1961 to work, and assuming that Ann carried her baby for a full term, she would have to have been impregnated sometime in mid November, 1960.
Continuing with the official story, Obama's parents were supposedly married February 2, 1961, on the island of Maui when Ann was approximately 2 ½ months pregnant. It is at this point that we lose track of the President's mother. She is not enrolled at the University of Hawaii. No one sees her (with the possible exception of self appointed best friend Neil Abercrombie, current Governor of Hawaii), and no one can vouch for her whereabouts. That is not the case, however, with Obama's father, Barack Obama, Sr.
Gregg Takiyama, Director of Community and Government Affairs at the University of Hawaii, Manoa campus, has supplied the following information on Obama Sr.'s school attendance: Dates of attendance: Fall 1959 - Spring 1962; Degree awarded: BA - Economics, Spring 1962. Classes were held throughout the year: Fall = August-Dec.; Spring = Jan.-May; Summer = May-Aug.
Apparently, Obama Sr., once he began his Hawaiian education in 1959, never took a break in his studies until he graduated in May of 1962. This is further corroborated in a letter he wrote after graduation on May 29 to his sponsor in Kenya, Tom Mboya. In it, he brags about how fast he finished his studies:
"As you know I have been able to finish my B.A. (hon.) degree and done my M.A. within three years only as contrasted to the normal four years for a B.A. and one to two years for M.A. I have therefore been able to cut on at least two years for my B.A. and Masters." Obviously, Obama Sr. was a serious student.
In the same letter, Obama Sr. says to Mboya: "...this is the time when I feel I should thank you for the help which you gave me when I was coming here." Had Obama Sr. returned to Kenya for the birth of his baby he undoubtedly would have contacted his sponsor. Yet the letter seems to indicate that this is the first time he has thanked or been in touch with Mboya since his arrival in Hawaii in 1959.
Then there are the difficulties of a trip to Kenya in 1961: the costs and the logistics. In an article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, September 19, 1959, Shurei Hirozawa wrote of Barack Obama Sr.'s arrival in Hawaii: "The money he saved will only stretch out for two semesters or less because of the high cost of living in Hawaii, he found out. He'll work, he says, and probably apply for a scholarship." Obama Sr. had no money. He certainly wouldn't have had the money for two airplane tickets to Kenya. If that trip took place, Ann's parents would have to have paid the fare.
Since we know Obama Sr. was continually enrolled year round at the University of Hawaii, and he finished in three years' time what would normally take 5 years, any break in his studies would have necessarily been short. Any trip to Kenya would have to have been by air, as going by sea would have taken weeks, if not months.
For the birth to have taken place in Kenya, Ann would have been very pregnant and very near her delivery date when the trip was made. The distance between Honolulu and Nairobi, Kenya is approximately 10,700 miles. In 1961 there would not have been any direct flights, necessitating several stops and perhaps several overnight layovers.
We would then have the spectacle of an 18 year-old first time mother, days away from delivery, leaving the comfort and surroundings of her parents' home (with the blessing of her parents), to embark on a several day exhausting journey, only to arrive in a very third world country to deliver her baby in the primitive medical facilities common in the Africa of 1961. None of this makes sense.
When Obama Sr. was preparing to leave Hawaii for Harvard in June of 1962, he was interviewed by John Griffin of the Honolulu Advertiser. Griffin wrote: "Obama who has been away from Kenya for seven years, said he plans to go home after finishing at Harvard." There is no indication that while he was in Hawaii, Obama Sr. ever returned to his native Kenya, let alone with a pregnant wife in tow.
Finally, in the same letter of May 29, 1962 to sponsor Mboya, it is interesting to note what Obama Sr. had to say about his wife, no, not Ann, but rather his wife in Kenya: "I have enjoyed my stay here, but I will be accelerating my coming home as much as I can. You know my wife is in Nairobi there and I would really appreciate any help you may give her. She is staying with her brother Mr. Wilson Odiawo."
Even though the marriage practices of Kenya were somewhat more relaxed than those of the United States, one has to wonder if Obama Sr. would take his pregnant American wife back to Nairobi where his African wife was waiting for him and if under those circumstances, Ann would consent to go.
The facts we know about Obama Sr. from his school records, newspaper articles, and his own letter to Mboya strongly argue that once he arrived in Hawaii, he never left. If Obama Sr., the father, never traveled to Kenya it would follow that Ann, the mother, never did either.
Of all the uncertainties of our President's first year, whether or not he was born in Kenya should not be one of them.
Interesting story line. While it would suggest Bo Sr. would have a hard time going to Kenya it doesn’t rule it out. It also raises the question that he may not be the father. Of course, all this is non-factual. All Obama needs to do is present his birth certificate showing he was born here. So far, no certificate.
Not exactly, What is ironic is that we and they actually know more about a foreign exchange student from the 1960’s than we KNOW about the past of the guy who sits in he oval office.
We do not know when he went to school or what his grades where, records are sealed. We do not know what hospital he was born in. We do not know his travel itinerary, IE: Pakistan.
We know all about his supposed father, however.
Nay, as a mountain man you should know, he dropped from a baars arse and grew where a pig peeed..
I am so glad that he has cleared this up. Now there is truly no reason to hide the long form birth certificate.
Then why couldn’t he copy down from his Hawaii birth certificate a valid certificate number-”date filed” combination on the Factcheck COLB that the HDOH has indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways as a forgery?
See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/factcheck-forgery-for-dummies/
Jack Caskhill thinks that Jimi Hendricks is 0bama’s baby-daddy.
“most likely” eh?
That’s convincing.
And your theory about the big FU to the people that saw through him?
Kooky
RE: ⢠Obama/Dunham divorce Released (by independent investigators)
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Not quite true. Page 11 of the divorce decreee has been removed from the records. That’s the page that relates that the couple had one son born of this marriage. A son born in Kenya.
Unless and untill Obama or his official stooges release the entire Decree of Divorce - then we must list this as yet another record gone missing that proves Obama is an imposter.
Before the Senate race. Chelly says so too
I thought his mother was a Jackal and his father was Satan.
On this thread, someone is claiming Obama said he was born in Kenya. It never happened. It was a video prank that most people saw through immediately. But there are birthers so heavily invested in birtherism, that they are willing to believe it.
Therefore, the more skeptical amongst us need help seeing the world through the eyes of a “True Believer”. That's what the Conspira-see Goggles do.
It's a goof...lighten up.
BTW...you can also use the goggles to identify reptilian shapeshifters in person.
Yup, gotta wonder. You’d think almost every viable theory involves something which the Left would be touting as a badge of honor.
Maybe that’s a clue: gather all the theories, and figure out which one a hardcore Leftist would, in fact, be ashamed of.
The last I heard the law is not "American until proven otherwise. At this point Arnold is eligible, George Soros is eligible, the anchor babies on the border are eligible, today's illegal alien could be tomorrow's Commander In Chief with this "American until proven otherwise" attitude.
And to think that THIS President's now getting ready to shove his so-called "Immigration Reform" down the throats of the American people is, in my opinion, somewhat of a conflict of interest and "president" Obama really should recuse himself from having anything to do with the debate and anything else to do with the Amnesty bill.
When public officials accuse the American people of being "conspiracy theorists" and "nuts" when they simply don't take their word for something, that's not only insulting, it is the worst kind of chutzpah.
BTW -- I'll give the goggles a try when next week's "Fringe" episode airs. ... Cheers!
Yeah, once. Then again, he also said his grandfather was at Auschwitz, that there are 58 states, that he saw dead people in the audience in New Mexico, that 10,000 people died in the Greenburg Kansas tornado, that he appreciated Navy "corpse men," got Ohio State confused with Michigan (For those of us born in Ohio or Michigan, that's a capital crime), etc., etc, yaddayadda. When a man talks THAT much, he's going to say a lot of stupid things (note to GOP-Oppo boys: get your cannons cleaned and oiled, we've got megatons of ammo in this category).
Don’t forget that Michelle Obama said he was born in Kenya in a speech. Then the Grandmother said she was at his birth in Kenya at the hospital. There was an American newspaper article stating Obama was born in Kenya when he ran for Senate. He never corrected them at the time. Alan Keyes accused Obama to his face of not being eligible to be President during the 2004 Senate debates and Obama just said “So what? I’m only running for Senate”. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to point to a Kenyan birth.
Personally I believe Barry is from the planet Zenon and the spaceship did not get Stanley Ann back in time for her to give birth in HI.
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I have been saying the exact same thing for two years and not one peson has caught on yet - until now!!!!
He told Freeper Race Bannon in the summer of 1981 that he was born in Mombassa, was raised in Indonesia, and was going to be president someday. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2397370/posts?page=1
That would also explain
1. why he wasn’t able to copy down from a valid Hawaii BC a valid BC# - “date filed” combination when he forged the Factcheck COLB. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/factcheck-forgery-for-dummies/
2. why Abercrombie couldn’t find a long-form for Obama,
3. why Tim Adams signed an affidavit saying his elections office supervisors repeatedly told him there is no long-form for Obama,
4. why he needed a fake SSN, draft registration form, and to have his passport file sanitized,
5. why the Passport Office won’t take 5 minutes in the last year and a half to disclose SAD’s passports issued,
6. why Obama won’t disclose his long-form
7. why Obama won’t disclose ANY of his records, and why every record claimed for Obama from government offices show signs of tampering or fraudulent claims.
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