Posted on 04/14/2011 1:32:53 PM PDT by Rational Thought
“Stop with the damn birth certificate!” he said. “Stop!” According to him, it is a non-issue that only detracts from the real problem in America, which is progressives fundamentally transforming America.
“If you’re going to lose your country– we’re going to lose it on a birth certificate?” he asked. “You have a real opportunity to talk about American exceptionalism … instead you’re going to waste time on the birth certificate?”
“You’re out of your mind if you think that is a winning argument for the next election. You’re out of your mind. You have to go fight the battle on the principles of America!”
(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
Perhaps you missed it so I repeat...
Name one.
BTW, gonna apologize for being “unbecoming” and attacking me by calling me and others idiots, Hypocrite?
I won’t even get into the domestic abuse allegation you made earlier ;)
When’s the day we get to wear our masks?
Aren’t you people tired of arguing with the Obots yet?
“3. Based on Obama’s birth in the US to a US mother, and his citizenship at birth, he’s a natural born citizen and is eligible to be President.”
Totally wrong. This has been refuted time and again and you continue posting incorrect information.
First, he has never shown he is even a citizen. Have you seen his LFBC? Neither has Pelosi. Nor have I. Norm may I add, have you. For all any of us know, You are Obama.
Are you? Are you not? Can you prove it?
“Name one.”
me. I’m not the only conservative on this thread you have been obnoxious and hostile to, but I’m one.
As for hurting your feelings by “calling me an idiot” after you have done 10X the amount of abuse on me, I can just say stupid is as stupid does; it is truly stupid to tell an anti-Obama conservative like me that they are an Obot who is hurting the O cause. It’s like trying to insult a giraffe by calling it ‘shortie’.
It’s pathetic really that you are so close-minded you cant imagine there are conservatives out there who dont buy into the birther koolaid... as if Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, and all the rest don’t exist either.
So ... Just go away. Life’s too short to waste it on you.
Aren’t you people tired of arguing with the Obots yet?
Not as long as they keep spreading BS. Someone has to stand against it. Ignoring them got us into this mess to begin with.
Don’t want a repeat ;)
“It’s not my place to tell anyone anything.”
... um, but you were telling ME something. :-)
Answer to your NBC question is in #940.
me. I’m not the only conservative on this thread you have been obnoxious and hostile to, but I’m one.
No you aren’t. We established that long ago.
Name one.
“As for hurting your feelings by “calling me an idiot” after you have done 10X the amount of abuse on me, I can just say stupid is as stupid does; it is truly stupid to tell an anti-Obama conservative like me that they are an Obot who is hurting the O cause. It’s like trying to insult a giraffe by calling it ‘shortie’.”
I don’t have feelings to hurt. There you go playing the victim and attacking the messenger. See previous posts proving your lies, deceit, mangling of the facts etc.
PS: Stop calling yourself what you clearly have proven to be the opposite of. It’s unbecoming.
“It’s pathetic really that you are so close-minded you cant imagine there are conservatives out there who dont buy into the birther koolaid... as if Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, and all the rest don’t exist either.”
I want to see the LFBC to establish the truth, you want to cloud the issue. Who is the closed minded one? Beck, Coulter and anyone else who purports to tell me or anyone else to shut up when we want the truth is no conservative. Including you.
“So ... Just go away. Life’s too short to waste it on you.”
So stop wasting your life. Free country (sorta). Live it up! be fruitful! (Don’t multiply though, that contributes to global warming and you lib types hate that).
In the meantime, I’ll just keep pointing out any time you stray of the “Rock Solid Conservative” path.
And BTW, we still won’t mention that domestic abuse allegation you made earlier ;)
2...Ankeny v Daniels
LOL...you're much better served reading Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162
Do you agree with them that release of the long form BC will resolve the eligibility issue?
Who is "them"? I, like you, don't have to have anyone agree or disagree with me to voice my opinion. Having said that, I don't agree that releasing the long form will resolve the eligibility issue. I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter if the long form is released because, as I've already said, the information needed to resolve the eligibility issue is already at hand. His father was a British citizen and was not an American citizen in any way, natural or naturalized.
Do you believe Obama was born in Honolulu?
What I "believe" is not the issue. I don't know where he was born. I can't know until something other than an abstract "walk-in" document is provided. I know that he and others claim he was born in Hawaii.
Very disturbing...very disturbing indeed ;)
Thanks, and thanks for the interlude.
Ankeny v Daniels addresses the question of Obama’s elibility, and is recent and pertinent. Minor otoh is a 130 year old ruling that was not directly ruling on this point, and more importantly came before Wong Kim Ark, which is itself is the key precedent to start from on this, since it ruled directly on birthright citizenship. Ankeny quotes Minor - more fully than you do - and a host of other rulings including Wong Kim Ark to reach their conclusion.
But you know this already, and I have no interest in rehashing further when my REAL bottom line is that even if you and I agree to a plausible different interpretation for NBC narrower than the one Ankeny took, the courts will take the path Ankeny took.
BTW, the facts of BHO’s 1961 birth havent changed in the last 1 1/2 years. No wrong arguments, just same basic facts about the evidence that is out there.
I'm sorry if you don't deal with the media in your life or understand its intracacies. Get yourself involved in the political process. You have a lot to learn.
As for myself, I have to learn the meaning of "smack". Is that new school?
Having more than 10 years in both print and online media (in both editorial and reporting capacities in three states) I’ll vouch for LJ being quite correct. Modern media is nothing but a propaganda outlet for lib interests.
The “them” were those who think the long form BC will resolve something. MY point was the long form BC only resolves something if his birthplace is really in doubt AND his birthplace is the key issue.
As you state - “I am of the opinion that it doesn’t matter if the long form is released because, as I’ve already said, the information needed to resolve the eligibility issue is already at hand”. Right, a Vattel-style NBC interpretation wont care where Obama was born, so long as it was to a foreign parent, he wont be NBC by that definition.
“Do you believe Obama was born in Honolulu?
What I “believe” is not the issue.”
It may not be ‘the issue’ but it is my question. have at it.
You can decide that it’s not settled with epistemological certainty of 100.000% , but we know he was born, and there is 100% certainty it was somewhere, and the only credible evidence shared has pointed to Honolulu. my point is doubts or lack of cetainty should NOT lead to hostility to the idea that his birthplace in Honolulu is a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence. Because it IS, and nobody has brought forth a plausible alternative scenario. Hence ... if not Honolulu, where?
“I can’t know until something other than an abstract “walk-in” document is provided.”
Several evidence points that go beyond an abstract document HAVE been provided - as I shared. newspaper announcements, COLB, state officials’ statements. so you KNOW more than an ‘abstract’ document exists, you also know state officials have said his birth records are on file, they shared the index file, and they vouched that they confirm his birth in Hawaii. And you know there were two newspaper birth announcements of his birth in Honolulu papers.
You know more than you let on. ;-)
Thx for keeping it civil.
BTW, the facts of BHO’s 1961 birth havent changed in the last 1 1/2 years.
There are only claims, not facts. You take as fact what is claimed.
No wrong arguments, just same basic facts about the evidence that is out there.
That's just it, there is no evidence. Evidence is something that is shown at trial or at a hearing. It's something that is gathered in an investigation. There's been no true investigation.
Even you have to admit that the COLB was given to the press by a political campaign and not an individual person. Why would the press investigate what they're hand fed and "believe" anyway.?
What is "out there" is damage control in an attempt to control the public's perception.
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