Posted on 04/14/2011 1:32:53 PM PDT by Rational Thought
“Stop with the damn birth certificate!” he said. “Stop!” According to him, it is a non-issue that only detracts from the real problem in America, which is progressives fundamentally transforming America.
“If you’re going to lose your country– we’re going to lose it on a birth certificate?” he asked. “You have a real opportunity to talk about American exceptionalism … instead you’re going to waste time on the birth certificate?”
“You’re out of your mind if you think that is a winning argument for the next election. You’re out of your mind. You have to go fight the battle on the principles of America!”
(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
“Stanley Ann Dunham was never married to Barak Hussein Obama the British national from Kenya”
Yes they were.
Post #879 has the info on the marriage record on file with the State of Hawaii.
Post #919 has the divorce information from the court in Hawaii that shows Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama Sr. were indeed married on Feb 2, 1961 and divorced in 1964. It also links the divorce documents.
“The proof of the pudding was always a legal recognized marriage between the parents BEFORE the birth... The name of the father would not have appeared on the 1961 birth certificate when the mother was SINGLE and thus the child illegitimate”
Perhaps that is why they got married, quietly, in February 1961 in a ceremony when Stanley Ann Dunham was 3 months pregnant. So she wouldnt have an illegitimate child.
Nana: “Stanley Ann Dunham was never married to Barak Hussein Obama the British national from Kenya”
WO: Yes they were.
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Prove it
Before you go asking questions how about you answer mine before we go any further.
I'll discuss the issue w/you only after you answer my initial question.
Do you consider Obama to be a natural born citizen and how do you come by that conclusion?
Oh, and on Tuesdays we all wear brown shirts and have a 2 min. hate. Then we build a big fire and chant about preserving the sanctity of our precious bodily fluids. It’s a very exclusive club.
Perhaps that is why they got married, quietly, in February 1961 in a ceremony when Stanley Ann Dunham was 3 months pregnant. So she wouldnt have an illegitimate child.
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Kid it would not have made any difference if Stan Ann and Obama had ever gotten “married” 6 times over...
The “marriage” would have been fraudulent, illegal, bigamous, a felonious crime...
Obama would have gone to jail and the baby boy would still have been illegitimate...
and Stan Ann and her family really were not concerned about the proprieties..
It takes a legal marriage to make a child legitimate...
Obama couldnt do that for any bastard child born outside his first and only real legal marriage...
at least not in the US...
any “ceremony” would have been equal to what the fLDS in the Texas compound have
ZIPPO legal status...
Cue the cuties in the long dresses
The existence of the divorce records is sufficient to me to prove that they were married.
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So wheres the “marriage” certificate ???
or did you only sign up as a FReeper yesterday to announce you are a BarryBot ???
Most of us here require solid evidence...
Its the Berean blood...
Thanks for sharing the link.
Key direct quote:
“Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. How is that coming?
A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.
(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)
“It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...
...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.”
Translation: “It’s in our records, trust me.”
Since Dr. Cherome Fukino has already directly said that she personally saw it, and verified that it was on file, and that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii ... the Gov’s efforts have added ... nothing.
Abercrombie crapped out by promising then not delivering on sharing a BC, then making excuses. (He should have known upfront what the law was wrt records releases.) Heck of a job, Gov.
You have been hating on conservatives on this thread. Stop attacking conservatives.
Name one.
BTW, gonna apologize for being “unbecoming” and attacking me by calling me an idiot, Hypocrite?
Two dead
One Red
Two RINO
One who should have stayed a wino
Latter Day Ain’ts.
The word “jackwagon” comes to mind.
Your comments were just mealy mouth dem talking points. Signed up yesterday to post dem talking points. Okay.
He’s just mad because we didn’t invite him to dance round the fire and chant with us ;)
Okay, what proof do you have about 0h0m0 showing that he is eligible to be president? Proof, not “speculation”.
A necessary tool? What freaking planet do you live on? It's a bought and paid for tool of the left! It's the official propaganda arm of the Dems/left! Kissing their butt and making nice and hoping they'll present both sides of the issues and do fair reporting or interviews is INSANITY! You're either really, really stupid or a leftist. I can't believe you're talking such idiotic smack.
You’re a retread, I bet.
Norm is not attacking conservatives. He’s attacking 0h0m0 toadying suckups and everyone except the suckups is have a great ol’ time.
WAGs, you’re out of your league.
“...Do you consider Obama to be a natural born citizen and how do you come by that conclusion?...
...was simple as well. “
LOL, a simple question, not a simple answer. Some reasoning regarding Obama’s citizenship and eligibility:
1. Obama was born to a US citizen mother in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug 4, 1961. Thus, he has been (due to 14th amendment and Wong Kim Ark) a US citizen since birth.
Details and evidence for Honolulu birthplace is below.
2. Someone who is a citizen of the US at birth is a ‘natural born citizen’. The court of appeals in Indiana, in a court ruling in Ankeny v Daniels, one of the eligibility lawsuits, studied and wrote on the substantive question of what constitutes Natural Born Citizen. Perhaps the only ruling in the eligibility/birther cases that got to the substantive question of what constitutes eligibility. The Ankeny court stated:
“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
My own opinion is that my opinion actually matters less than what a court WILL do, and Ankeny v Daniels pretty clearly lays out the reasoning courts will take - Natural-Born Citizen equates to being a citizen since birth (as opposed to naturalized / immigrant). (As stated in Dred Scott and other cases: “... the constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth.”)
The Ankeny court ruling is here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22488868/ANKENY-v-GOVERNOR-OF-THE-STATE-OF-INDIANA-APPEALS-COURT-OPINION-11120903
3. Based on Obama’s birth in the US to a US mother, and his citizenship at birth, he’s a natural born citizen and is eligible to be President.
Evidence for Obama’s birthplace being Honolulu, Hawaii:
1. When first challenged on his birthplace, Obama released his COLB - Certification of Live Birth - that people get from the State of Hawaii when they request birth records. This document has an embossed seal and stamp from Hawaii officials. The COLB was photographed by folks at factcheck.org:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
2. Newspaper announcement of birth one week after birth, Aug 4. Two newspapers had birth announcements on Aug 13 and Aug 14th, and they were in turn gotten from State of Hawaii records office. Here’s one of them:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
3. The newspapers in turn got their data from the Health Records Office of Hawaii. What this further means is that Obama’s records were put on file between Aug 4 and Aug 14, 1961.
4. Honolulu was the place of residents of parents: Stanley Dunham and Barack Obama Sr lived, met and were students in Honolulu. That was there hometown. As students, they had little money, so the natural conclusion would be that they would have very likely had their baby in Honolulu. They had a Marriage in Feb, baby in August.
5. State officials from Hawaii vouched for his birth records being on file and him being born in Hawaii: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.”
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