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Coalition to Stop Gun Violence again steps into steaming pile of its own lies
St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 11 April, 2011 | Kurt Hofmann

Posted on 04/14/2011 5:03:57 AM PDT by marktwain

This past weekend, as has become someting of a pattern, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) accused (via Twitter) me and other gun rights advocates of "insurrection" and "treason." This, despite the fact that there doesn't seem to be any "insurrection" going on in the U.S., and the fact that the Constitution's necessarily extremely narrow definition of "treason" can't possibly be applied to stating the obvious fact that the Second Amendment exists as the last bulwark against tyranny.

Much of the weekend's debate was about Professor Robert Churchill's (author of the excellent To Shake Their Guns in the Tyrant's Face) contention that during the FBI's standoff with the Montana Freemen in 1996, the FBI was persuaded to wait the Freemen out (the Freemen eventually surrendered peacefully), because various militia groups had told them that another bloody paramilitary raid, like Ruby Ridge or Waco, would have resulted in equally bloody militia retaliation against law enforcement officers all over the country (the "No More Free Wacos" doctrine). . Prof. Churchill made that point in a debate with CSGV's Josh Horwitz in 2009 (short video clip).

Despite naming themselves based on their supposed opposition to "gun violence," CSGV repeatedly made clear their belief that the militia's warnings, which prevented "gun violence," were themselves "treason." I was among several gun rights advocates on Twitter who strongly disagreed. CSGV then came back, oddly enough, with the implication that my satisfaction over the avoidance of violence in the Freemen incident was somehow "racist," because (supposedly) I wouldn't extend the same understanding to criminals involved in "urban violence." How CSGV intends to come up with a plausible parallel between "urban violence," and the militias' successful deterrence of violence is a question for another day.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: antifreedom; banglist; constitution; lies
Exposing the lies of the left is pretty easy if you have any media to do it.
1 posted on 04/14/2011 5:04:06 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I wonder how many people outside the close-knit CSGV group reads their twitter feeds.

I’m not excusing their lying liar ways, just wondering how many actual people are exposed to their stinking piles of dung.


2 posted on 04/14/2011 5:08:05 AM PDT by samtheman
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CSGV then came back, oddly enough, with the implication that my satisfaction over the avoidance of violence in the Freemen incident was somehow "racist," because (supposedly) I wouldn't extend the same understanding to criminals involved in "urban violence."
So who's the real racist here? Are the lefties saying that all "urban violence" is the result of a single racial group and that if you're opposed to "urban violence" you're opposed to a specific race? Are they saying one racial group is genetically predisposed to "urban violence"? Which group are they saying that about? (Just curious.)
3 posted on 04/14/2011 5:14:41 AM PDT by samtheman
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” Which group are they saying that about?”
Holder’s “People” would be my guess.

Oh! Sorry! THAT’S ......


4 posted on 04/14/2011 5:43:01 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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The anti’s are nothing more than hate groups. They spread fear and rhetoric in an attempt at infringing on Civil Rights. They are no better than the KKK or the Nazi’s.


5 posted on 04/14/2011 5:44:08 AM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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The Democrat rant assumes non Democrats favor corporate governance. The fact is, the corporations fuel the democrat money machine. The corporations are on the Democrats side.

The individual citizen is really pretty unrepresented.


6 posted on 04/14/2011 6:03:33 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Don’t you love it when the Leftists show their stupidity for all with the naming of their groups?

“Coalition to Stop Gun Violence” Yeah, like they’re people out there FOR Gun violence?

That is just like when the Left comes out for Clean Air – like there are some that WANT dirty air.

Think about it, Statistics and logic show that since Criminals (By definition) don’t obey the laws, and won’t disarm no matter what you do, THE BEST WAY to Prevent “Gun Violence” is with the deterrent effect of having people armed.

But that isn’t what they want, is it?

In fact they want to disarm the law-abiding and this will encourage “Gun Violence”.

Question: Is this by design or sheer stupidity?

{Please note the current trend of asking that question of most things Left is doing these days,}

7 posted on 04/14/2011 6:33:28 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: marktwain

This (and linked articles) inspired a new tagline...


8 posted on 04/14/2011 6:44:56 AM PDT by TXnMA (America's most Orwellian oxymoronic acronym: "DOJ"...)
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To: Panzerlied

THEY are allowed to be as racist and race-oriented as they please.

But we can’t even point out their racism without being accused of being racists ourselves.


9 posted on 04/14/2011 6:50:21 AM PDT by samtheman
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“But we can’t even point out their racism without being accused of being racists ourselves.”

A bit like the pot calling the kettle....

Ooops. There I go again.


10 posted on 04/14/2011 7:09:47 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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M=That is just like when the Left comes out for Clean Air – like there are some that WANT dirty air.

You never watched Captain Planet

11 posted on 04/14/2011 8:31:04 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Radioactive plume to hit USA. President Obama and family fly to Brazil)
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“It takes a certain amount of courage to get up in a coffee-house or a college auditorium and come out in favor of the things that everybody else in the audience is against like peace and justice and brotherhood and so on.” - Tom Lehrer, Folk Song Army


12 posted on 04/14/2011 8:44:18 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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