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Wind farm efficiency queried by John Muir Trust study
BBC News ^ | 6 April 2011 | NA

Posted on 04/11/2011 12:51:36 PM PDT by neverdem

The study has challenged industry assertions about the output of wind farms

Wind farms are much less efficient than claimed, producing below 10% of capacity for more than a third of the time, according to a new report.

The analysis also suggested output was low during the times of highest demand.

The report, supported by conservation charity the John Muir Trust, concluded turbines "cannot be relied upon" to produce significant levels of power generation.

However, industry representatives said they had "no confidence" in the data.

The research, carried out by Stuart Young Consulting, analysed electricity generated from UK wind farms between November 2008 to December 2010

Statements made by the wind industry and government agencies commonly assert that wind turbines will generate on average 30% of their rated capacity over a year, it said.

But the research found wind generation was below 20% of capacity more than half the time and below 10% of capacity over one third of the time.

'Different manner'

It also challenged industry claims that periods of widespread low wind were "infrequent".

The average frequency and duration of a "low wind event" was once every 6.38 days for 4.93 hours, it suggested.

The report noted: "Very low wind events are not confined to periods of high pressure in winter...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: agw; climatechange; globalwarming; windfarms
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1 posted on 04/11/2011 12:51:43 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Wind power is a complete disaster

"Denmark, the world’s most wind-intensive nation, with more than 6,000 turbines generating 19% of its electricity, has yet to close a single fossil-fuel plant. It requires 50% more coal-generated electricity to cover wind power’s unpredictability, and pollution and carbon dioxide emissions have risen (by 36% in 2006 alone)."

2 posted on 04/11/2011 12:55:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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To: neverdem

I sure wish I had kept an article that I had read a few months ago where an envirowacko openly admitted that wind farms aren’t worth a ****. The main objective of these wind mill fiascos is to remind us to save da planet. I could not believe what this envirowacko had admitted to in the article.


3 posted on 04/11/2011 12:57:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't wait until the next "threatened" government shut down! Visit a National Park today!!!)
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To: neverdem

So, who has the operational plot output as a fraction of installed capacity vs. system % of peak demand?


4 posted on 04/11/2011 12:58:37 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: neverdem

Periods of low wind can be avoided here in the U.S. by constructing wind mills on the White House lawns, next to the Capitol building and outside all senate and house office buildings.


5 posted on 04/11/2011 12:59:30 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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Ah yes ... windmill efficiency.

6 posted on 04/11/2011 1:00:18 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: neverdem

Several weeks ago I was listening to an “energy expert” and global power requirements. He says it would take 7,500 Hoover Dams - of 52 million wind farms to equal today’s needs.


7 posted on 04/11/2011 1:04:10 PM PDT by edcoil (Democrats doing to America what Reagan did to russia. Driving it to bankrupcy.)
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


8 posted on 04/11/2011 1:06:33 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
This should be the nail in the coffin of this boondoggle, but it won't be as long as you have the wackos pushing this scheme. Their next argument will be that is you are opposed to wind generation, you are racist.

Fact is, reliance on wind capacity builds in a structural requirement to burn more fossil fuels to make up for the time that the wind capacity is unavailable. The need for quick-start capacity when the wind generation goes down means natural gas, which simply gives the Russians, as the major supplier of NG, a greater stranglehold on the European economy.

9 posted on 04/11/2011 1:10:21 PM PDT by chimera
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To: neverdem
No surprise here on FR. We have been saying that for years. Guess it only carries weight if a green organization says it.
10 posted on 04/11/2011 1:13:26 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: chimera
The need for quick-start capacity when the wind generation goes down means natural gas, which simply gives the Russians, as the major supplier of NG, a greater stranglehold on the European economy.

Да!


11 posted on 04/11/2011 1:13:50 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Paladin2

Whenever you drive through one you will notice that less than half have blades turning. The upkeep and maintenance is difficult and unpredictable.


12 posted on 04/11/2011 1:14:43 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The article that you referenced has some excellent commentary, most of which agrees with the author. I will use it to rebut the leftists on the Denver Post blogs.


13 posted on 04/11/2011 1:18:12 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: neverdem
Windmills not only generate no electricity when winds are too low, but also when winds are too high. Those large blades have to be "feathered" in high winds least they destroy themselves. video
14 posted on 04/11/2011 1:20:12 PM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: AmericanVictory
Whenever you drive through one you will notice that less than half have blades turning. The upkeep and maintenance is difficult and unpredictable.

It's not that easy to find people who are willing to climb up and down 150 feet of ladder in order to check out the latest rattle.

15 posted on 04/11/2011 1:24:36 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: neverdem
Wind farms are much less efficient than claimed

I am thinking of the Ann Coulter quote in which she states that she wishes she was a liberal so that she could be constantly surprised by the obvious.

Anyone who actually thought through this stuff would know that you simply cannot run a modern society on wind power.

16 posted on 04/11/2011 1:28:42 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: neverdem

A system based on the consistancy and predictability of weather being undependable and inneficient? Who could have known?


17 posted on 04/11/2011 1:32:51 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly.
Can’t idle one boiler due to wind or solar. Ask any power engineer what he thinks of the wind farms (might need to get him drunk first).


18 posted on 04/11/2011 1:40:27 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sweden is big into wind generated electricity. Unfortunately it must be supplemented by gas. My friend in middle Sweden pays approximately 52 cents per kwh. That compares to our 8-12 cents per kwh. These prices include generation, transmission, taxes, etc in both countries.


19 posted on 04/11/2011 1:42:32 PM PDT by P3_Acoustic
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sorry, I misspoke about gas supplement. Here is verbatim the Swedish story.

When the wind is not so strong it it compensated by waterpower. We need power on sunny summerdays without wind so we use waterpower. On cold winterdays without wind it is the same but the water is gone. So Germany start their coal and oil power plant and rise the price. The result is: billions ov money to the companies and bankrupcy to the people.


20 posted on 04/11/2011 1:55:37 PM PDT by P3_Acoustic
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