Posted on 04/01/2011 5:37:24 PM PDT by Nachum
Army doctor half done with prison term for questioning Obama eligibility
A military doctor who was court-martialed and sent to prison after questioning Barack Obama's eligibility to be president and refusing to follow orders that descended from the commander-in-chief is more than halfway through his sentence.
And now he has asked the nation in his writings to ponder the question of whether it is bound by the Constitution.
Dr. Terry Lakin, an Army doctor who refused to deploy again to Afghanistan when his chain of command refused to verify that Obama legitimately is president, is serving a six-month term at Ft. Leavenworth in Kansas.
He remains under the Uniform Code of Military Justice but has been allowed to post online a series of observations he's made while serving his time. Those private communications to the Terry Lakin Action Fund suggest that his focus remains on the foundations of the nation and the rights and responsibilities of its citizens.
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And where are they different than Lakin?
You tell me... left wing trolls everywhere agree that Col. Lakin is a coward and Watada and Huet-Vaughn are heros. Why do you think that is?
My comments did **not** concern LTC Lakin’s action in disobeying orders.
My comments were about the NON-action of our highest military officers.
If they **KNOW** that Obama is a usurper and have not consulted with Congress and/or the Supreme Court then they would NOT be upholding the oath that they made before God to defend the Constitution. Even then, the DUTY of our highest military officers is to the **Constitution**. They did NOT take an oath to defend and uphold corrupt, weak, and paralyzed courts and congress.
If they **SUSPECT** that there is a usurper occupying the position of Commander in Chief then it is their DUTY to have this matter absolutely and **definitively** clarified with certifiable proof by Congress, the Supreme Court, and/or Obama. It is their DUTY to the brave and honorable troops serving under them. It is their DUTY to the Constituiton. It is their DUTY to the American people. It is their DUTY before God. It is their DUTY to their families! It is their DUTY to the future of our nation!
Where is the evidence that these highest officers have done ***ANYTHING*** at ALL??????..... ( except abandon their duty to the Constitution, God, their families, the American people, and the brave and honorable troops serving under them.)
**INCIDENTAL** to this post is the fact that LTC Lakin testified that the highest military officers with whom he consulted told him that they did, indeed, have serious questions about Obama’s eligibility. These higher and highest level officers DID NOTHING!!!( except abandon the troops under them.)
I agree with “frog in a pot”, it appears that you and centurion316 expect our military officers to bury corruption out in the cabbage patch.
centurion316’s military credentials are not in issue, but nice try. At issue is his refusal to appreciate Lakin’s earliest motivation and his continuing unnecessary derogatory references to Lakin.
However, there is something suspect about a speaker who appears to bolster his credentials by saying he has walked with more than a half dozen MOH recipients. While the speaker may have known them apart from the heroic events or met them at social functions, the point of such a statement is often to capture some of that “mettle” for their own use. We do not know the circumstances behind 316’s relationships with the recipients, and that is why I asked. That I may have done so in a doubtful tone was warranted. 316 could have been a Saigon Public Affairs Officer, if not, he might have been very active in the field and it could be an interesting story.
Our politicians failed us during the validation process and most of us hoped our military officers, also sworn to defend the constitution, would rise to the occasion. All Lakin and the rest of us wanted to know - what Congress was supposed to confirm but chose to sit on its hands - is whether the guy is legitimate. I am willing to wager that for every 316 you present, one could present two, O5s and below, who admired and supported what Lakin did.
Your last two paragraphs are knee jerks that raise side issues not in issue. I do not argue O is not valid, rather that there was a statutory breach in the validation process. If corrected, O may indeed be invalid. The nation and the military deserve to know what is behind the fraud of concealment.
Have nice weekend.
And...We don't know what threats were coming against him and his family from the private sector, either.
By the way....I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the disappearance of Michele Malkin’s cousin and the shooting of Quales ( the day before he was to give testimony) were ordered by political operatives.
You are profoundly mistaken on my view. You are also profoundly mistaken on what constitutes a legal order and suffer from a delusion that Odumbo is not the legitimate President of the U.S. Its a hard thing to admit, no doubt, but those are the facts and you have absolutely no evidence that shows that he is not.
The view also seems to hold that the many O6’s and above to whom Lakin appealed over a period of several months had no duty to process his Constitutional concern. His concern was based on the fact that Congress had failed to take even the slightest step toward confirming the CinC’s qualifications for office, notwithstanding evidence in the public record to the contrary, several lawsuits and the substantial public outcry. That was a legal point (a breach of 3USC15), if not a clerical oversight, that could have been easily transmitted by the command structure to members of Congress and easily resolved.
The Electoral College, the Congress, the sitting VP (Cheney), and the Supreme Court all accepted that he was a legitimate candidate and duly elected to his office. The military must honor that judgment. Take that issue up with your Congressman.
But, lets turn to a more interesting fact. You named 10 highly decorated Viet Nam warriors and claim you “served with them”. More specifically, you state, “I have walked in their company and I know their mettle.” The term is usually taken to mean having been with them on the battlefield either shortly before, during or shortly after their heroics; otherwise, of course, everyone in the community could make a similar claim.
(Here, let me recommend you drop Barry McCaffrey from your list. Shooting noncombatants who are trying to go home, after receiving notice of a cease fire agreement is not the stuff of a hero and for many is an ugly stain on the authenticity of his earlier awards.)
You are most fortunate. Few of us, who do not have occasion to be associated with MOH recipients, have had the honor of formally meeting one, or perhaps even two recipients, if that. You on the other hand, have met a half dozen or so and walked with them.
What is even more amazing is that although these individuals served across a wide spectrum of military activities in different units in different locations in the same relatively narrow time period, you had the chance to walk with them.
The readers of this thread, which includes many who served in Viet Nam, would be very interested in hearing even a modestly detailed story behind your Viet Nam connection to each of the 10 warriors. It must be a hell of a story.
Well, since you have accused me of lying and fraud, I suppose that I should respond. First, I need to correct a misstatement that you made: I never said that I walked in combat with all of these men. I have certainly served with them and know their mettle. Your accusatory argument is based on an entirely false premise and is not what I said. When you serve for 25 years, you have the opportunity to serve with a rather large number.
Drew Dix and Lawrence Joel and I served in the same battalion in the 82d Airborne. They were both wearing their MH's during this period. I forgot to mention my First Sergeant, Big Jim Edwards, DSC.
I served with Bob Howard and Chickenman 6 (Major Adams) in Vietnam. I was a reconnaissance platoon leader in an air cav squadron that supported MACVSOG. Bob was at FOB Kontum, I was at Pleiku. Bob was a first stringer in the recon business and I was at best a third stringer and could not operate cross border like he did. I got to know him in Jungle School and he taught me alot about the recon trade. He left Vietnam early to receive his MH. Major Adams gave me alot of grief when he and his company arrived in Pleiku because we smart ass recon lieutenants wouldn't vacate a hooch that he thought was his. I was several miles away on a hilltop and saw his helicopter burst into flames and crash into a mountain. I don't know Brian Thacker, but witnessed his defense of the ARVN firebase near Dak TO and listened to his calls for support on the radio. He escaped the firebase, e&e'd for about 8 days and made it to safety.
Roger Donlon is a friend and neighbor.
I served with Mike Peck, Roger Dimsdale, and Bud Greer later in my career, they were good soldiers.
I've known Barry McCaffrey for many years. He is a prick, but he was a very competent soldier and his citation for his two DSC's speak for themselves. I think that I have said before that this has nothing to do with politics.
They are heroes not just because of what they did on the battlefield, but what they did later to rebuild and lead the Army after Vietnam. I could mention many more, but they would all find it rather odd that I single them out as something special. They were.
Kind of hard on the unit he abandoned and the officer that had to go in his place, don't you think.
And were you aware, as it came out at his court martial, that as Lakin was refusing to deploy as ordered, he requested that he be allowed to take his pre-deployment leave? And he took it?
Such testimony should not have been persuasive, it would be interesting to learn what was revealed on cross examination.
Why not? Especially since the officer in question had to deploy on short notice without the required pre-deployment training? As for cross examination, Lakin's attorney tried to paint the experience as 'career enhancing' for Major Dobson.
The question is whether there was a measurable reduction in the quality of medical services the replacement surgeon provided or whether there was any unnecessary pain and suffering by the wounded. Surgeons and medical stations are well trained to provide wound treatment in the absence of the patient’s medical records.
I'll quote from the transcript and let you decide:
"When he arrived in Afghanistan, his unit was on the Pakistani border in Kunar Province, just north of Jalalabad. The previous unit had left a physician’s assistant behind to fill the gap when the 1-32 arrived without a doctor. MAJ Dobson testified, “She was very happy to see me.”"
"Then came the most powerful testimony of the court-martial. On MAJ Dobson’s second day in country, his unit “had mass casualties” — a total of 16. He testified that he felt he didn’t treat them as well as he could have had he had more time to prepare for his deployment."
So Lakin left the 1-32 Cavalry Squadron in the lurch. They deployed without a doctor because of Lakin's actions. His replacement had to deploy on short notice without without the training that pre-deploying doctors normally receive. And had his arrival been delayed by 72 hours then the unit would have undergone a major attack with no doctor at all. All because Lakin refused to obey the lawful orders of his superior officers.
We now have our troops involved in a conflict where our suspect “Commander in Chief” is using them to establish a regime that has strong ties with our most virulent enemies!
Unbelievable! It is VITAL to the safety and well being of our honorable and brave troops that they serve under a Commander in Chief that is not using them to establish regimes dedicated to our military DESTRUCTION.
Unbelievable!
I am utterly perplexed and appalled that our highest military offices (who told Lakin that they had serious questions about Obama’s eligibility) would simply abandon their troops as they have and allow a questionable “Commander in Chief” use them to strengthen enemies who are determined to **kill** our brave men and women serving in the military.
I believe Lakin.
And...This post is NOT NOT NOT about Lakin disobeying orders it **IS** about our highest military officers. ( Shaking my head.)
“By the way....I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the disappearance of Michele Malkin’s cousin and the shooting of Quales ( the day before he was to give testimony) were ordered by political operatives.”
I had seen pictures of her cousin on her website but didn’t know any of the circumstancs of her disappearance, or the time frame.
It did seem out of character for the Colonel to plead guilty and admit what he did, but once he found out that the panel wouldn’t let him prove his case, he might have chosen the lesser of two evils and changed his story.
There are way to many unanswered questions in all this, and I can hardly wait til some of the blanks are filled in. This story won’t ever go away until the facts are known.
We’re good. Keep on posting my friend.
Me? I think that all three are cut from the same cloth, and that only two got what they deserved. Watada should have wound up in Leavenworth as well. Yet another Obama screw-up.
Our highest military officers did NOT take and oath to uphold a weak, indecisive, corrupt, and paralyzed electoral college, congress, or court.
Their oath is to the Constitution!
Sorry, never had a chance to serve as a Saigon Public Affairs Officer. I did serve for 25 years as an Infantry Officer and remain very active with that community of friends, both retired and still on active duty. I can’t think of a single person who thinks that Lakin is anything but a dumbsh!t, although I’m sure that there are some out there who agree with your viewpoint. There always are.
INCIDENTAL to my posts is that LTC Lakin testified that the officers above him told him they have serious questions and concerns about Obama’s eligibility.
Where is the evidence that these highest officers did anything at all about **their** personal concerns that a usurper is directing our military? Hm?
Where is the evidence???? !!!!
What are doing recommending that our military officers bury corruption and **ABANDON** our brave and honorable troops?
My concern is with our highest military. Personally, I try not to comment on LTC Lakin’s case because it devolves into, “He was a brave hero.” followed by “ He was a deserter!”
However...I do believe LTC Lakin when he testified that the officers above him told him they had serious concerns that Obama is a usurper.
Where is the evidence that these highest military officers did **anything** at all? It was the **highest** military officers who had the concerns. Why didn't they act based on their **own** suspicious of corruption?
What I see are military troops now serving a possible usurper who is using them to establish virulent Muslim regimes that have vocalized virulent intentions to wanting to **KILL** Americans and our military?
Unbelievable! I feel like I have crawled through a mirror and now everything is upside down and backward.
Evidently our highest military officers care **more** about their careers and pensions than they do the Constitution or about the brave and honorable troops serving under them and the American people.
These highest military officers seem more than willing to hide corruption by dropping it down the rabbit hole.
Thanks! Sometimes people forget that the discussion wouldn't be interesting without a difference of opinion. I can get a little carried away at times. Apologies to K-Stater as well. I feel strongly about this topic.
One more thing:
It was wise of our Founding Fathers to put the military under civilian control. From reading these posts it seems that those with long time military service are too conditioned to “follow orders” no matter what.
There you go again, confusing closed minds with the facts. Facts are pesky little things, aren't they?
That kind of thinking will get someone a free trip to Leavenworth. Ask a military lawyer.
“Our politicians failed us during the validation process and most of us hoped our military officers, also sworn to defend the constitution, would rise to the occasion.”
That defines “banana republic”.
“At issue is his refusal to appreciate Lakin’s earliest motivation...”
He didn’t question his motivation, but his judgment. Lakin got caught up in being an Internet hero instead of listening to legal advice from lawyers - as he admitted under oath.
“I am willing to wager that for every 316 you present, one could present two, O5s and below, who admired and supported what Lakin did.”
Based on my 25 years, I’d say no chance. You don’t refuse to deploy based on rumor.
“It is VITAL to the safety and well being of our honorable and brave troops that they serve under a Commander in Chief that is not using them to establish regimes dedicated to our military DESTRUCTION.”
I wholly agree, which is why it is incredible and appalling that Obama would win an election. It says the American people don’t love America enough, or appreciate what an incredible country this is. It was obvious well before Nov 2008 that Obama was an American-hating, baby-killing muslim bastard. Unfortunately, my own sister voted for him...out of some weird white-guilt, as best I can tell. I gave her quotes from his books and speeches that left no doubt about his hatred for America and whites, but she didn’t care.
The truth is that many people vote on emotion rather than reason or facts. My Mom once admitted she voted for Clinton over Bob Dole because “Bob Dole has mean eyebrows!” That from a woman who followed her husband thru 22 years of his military career, buried him after his death in Vietnam, and at that point had a son with 13 years in the military. Very conservative on issues, but she voted purely off of emotion and feelings, and took pride in it!
That defines “banana republic”.
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Ignoring the Constitution and licking the boots of a weak congress and paralyzed court system defines a banana republic.
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