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B.C.'s sockeye salmon may not survive climate warming: Study
theprovince.com ^ | 31 Mar 2011 | Margaret Munro

Posted on 03/31/2011 10:48:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog

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To: smokingfrog
“To get a better read on the situation, Eliason and her colleagues intercepted salmon on their way up the river and put them through their paces in swim tanks. They'd “crank up” the temperatures and water current in the tanks to test the fishes’ swimming performance and metabolic and heart rates, says Eliason.”

Amazing! The fish are near death and will die after spawning but somehow putting them in a tank of hot water and forcing extra work upon them is not going to increase their metabolic and heart rates beyond normal? Really.

21 posted on 04/01/2011 2:07:12 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: smokingfrog

But it’s a BS conclusion.

I’ve caught Silver salmon that were as shiny and bright as you could imagine - mirror shiny - around Thanksgiving, which is way, way past the peak time of the normal run.

And I’ve caught salmon in the rivers at the end of June. Much earlier than most would expect.

It varies year to year, species to species, and conditions to conditions.
Fourteen thousand years ago or so there were NO SALMON in the rivers in the Pacific Northwest because there were NO RIVERS in the Pacific Northwest - Seattle and Vancouver, BC. were both covered by a mile of ice.

If salmon in BC have a problem, it has a name. You can google it.

It’s called “Hells Gate”.

I saw it many years back and how even one single fish makes it past, I can’t imagine!


22 posted on 04/01/2011 2:18:03 AM PDT by djf (Dems and liberals: Let's redefine "marriage". We already redefined "natural born citizen".)
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To: smokingfrog

I guess the Salmon are happy todaysince it is snowing in April.


23 posted on 04/01/2011 2:24:10 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: smokingfrog

don’t worry - the record snowfall throughout the West will cool the ocean water with record floods and the fish will be chilly and happy again bless their scaley little gills


24 posted on 04/01/2011 3:00:36 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: smokingfrog

Let’s let the Canadians worry about it. The Salmon die after spawning anyway, so what’s the big deal. So much for this global warming crap.


25 posted on 04/01/2011 3:11:23 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: smokingfrog

Build more dams. The water coming out of the bottom of a lake is colder than a shallow river.

Problem solved


26 posted on 04/01/2011 3:21:23 AM PDT by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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To: smokingfrog
FUD... somehow these fish have survived numerous Ice Age cycles in the past. What makes them so incapable of surviving the next one? Just because we're pretending that we're causing it, rather than the planet's natural cycles?

Funny how they cannot survive a 1degree increase in temperature, but a particularly warm summer or colder winter that is 10-20 degrees outside of the normal ranges don't seem to present any problems for them. In 1998 and 1934, temps were both far more than 1 degree hotter than this year... so how did the fish survive??

27 posted on 04/01/2011 3:26:56 AM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: Ramius
So how do the sockeye in rivers far further south and much warmer... still seem to make it work?

The only other runs of sockeye south of the Fraser are a tiny run into Lake Washington on Puget Sound which is from Frazer stock, and a once major native run on the Columbia River. Both runs troubles have nothing to do with water temperature.

What the writer omits from her story is the causes of the warmer waters on the Fraser.

Cause Number 1:
There are lots of aluminum plants along the lower reaches - all of which use river water for cooling. This water, warmed by the cooling molten aluminum, is discharged back into pools along the river. Many fish following the scent go into the pools and die. The warm water from the pools flows into the river, warms the lower reaches and the fish die.

The two major Fraser sockeye runs - the Chilko and Adams runs - go far up the river, beyond human habitation, where the water is much cooler. These two runs enter the river much hardier then those that spawn in the lower reaches and so survive the warm water in better condition - usually.

Cause Number 2:
The elimination of the International Pacific Sockeye Fisheries Commission (IPSFC). Formed just after the Hells Gate Side, this was a nonpolitical body dedicated solely to the restoration of the Frazer runs.

To make a long story short, after decades of work and sacrifice, they - along with federal US and Canadian funds (and tax monies directly from the catches of commercial salmon fishermen) - restored the river to historic run sizes: in the range of 65,000,000 returning fish each year.

In 1974, during the waning days of the Nixon Administration, US funds were eliminated. The Canadians did the same. The Commission hung on into the early 80s, then in a tearful announcement, ended. The run management was turned over to the highly politicized Canadian Dept of Fisheries in Ottawa. Aluminum smelters were given the green light and discharged more hot water than ever.

Nixon Administration's action could have been reversed by Reagan, but he sold out the major fisheries for reasons unknown - the Frazer fisheries, the Tuna fisheries, the lobster and cod fisheries were virtually destroyed as American industries and major generators of new monies for the US Balance of Trade.

While not on topic, it should be pointed out for the younger set that the Nixon Administration fundamentally changed America almost on the same order as Obama is currently. EPA, OSHA, Tribal Sovereignty, and so on are some of the wonders brought to the American scene by the Nixon Administration and solidified under Reagan.

28 posted on 04/01/2011 3:49:33 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: smokingfrog; FreedomPoster; Para-Ord.45; Entrepreneur; tubebender; mmanager; Fiddlstix; ...
Ever wonder why you never stop hearing about studies finding GW responsible for everything from kidney stones to cannibalism? Explains Richard Lindzen (Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT): "It's become standard that whatever you're studying, include global warming's effects in your proposal and you'll get your (government) funding."

 



Dr. John Brignell's WARMLIST
~A complete list of things caused by global warming.~

29 posted on 04/01/2011 4:02:08 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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To: smokingfrog

LOL


30 posted on 04/01/2011 1:55:05 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: Ramius

Well, the one thing that we don’t want to go back on, which does obstruct migratory patterns for spawning for Salmon, is hydroelectric power. However, few people want to destroy the dams, because the running water is renewable energy.


31 posted on 04/07/2011 11:53:31 AM PDT by Morpheus2009 (I pity the fool - Mr. T)
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To: smokingfrog

Adapt or die! 99.9% of all the species that have ever inhabited this planet are extinct.


32 posted on 04/07/2011 11:55:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: smokingfrog

Only sockeye salmon lovers should pay higher energy prices to be redistributed around the globe.

Me? I can survive without it, even if it tastes good.


33 posted on 04/07/2011 11:59:19 AM PDT by dforest
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To: smokingfrog

Only sockeye salmon lovers should pay higher energy prices to be redistributed around the globe.

Me? I can survive without it, even if it tastes good.


34 posted on 04/07/2011 11:59:29 AM PDT by dforest
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To: smokingfrog

Only sockeye salmon lovers should pay higher energy prices to be redistributed around the globe.

Me? I can survive without it, even if it tastes good.


35 posted on 04/07/2011 11:59:39 AM PDT by dforest
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To: indylindy

Sorry for the triple posts. I must have gotten overexcited.


36 posted on 04/07/2011 12:00:59 PM PDT by dforest
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