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Sex outside marriage should be illegal, says Parnell nominee
Anchorage Daily News ^ | 3/24/11 | Richard Mauer

Posted on 03/28/2011 5:40:36 PM PDT by LonelyCon

Gov. Sean Parnell's appointee for the panel that nominates state judges testified Wednesday that he would like to see Alaskans prosecuted for having sex outside of marriage.

The candidate, Don Haase of Valdez, also admitted under questioning by members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that his official resume failed to disclose his leadership role in Eagle Forum Alaska, which advocates for social conservative issues. He most recently was president of the organization, but resigned when he learned of his nomination, he said.

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Paskvan: "Do you believe [adultery] should be a crime?"

Haase: "Yeah, I think it's very harmful to have extramarital affairs. It's harmful to children, it's harmful to the spouse who entered a legally binding agreement to marry the person that's cheating on them."

Paskvan: "What about premarital affairs -- should that be a crime?"

Haase: "I think that would be up to the voters certainly. If it came before (the state) as a vote, I probably would vote for it ... I can see where it would be a matter for the state to be involved with because of the spread of disease and the likelihood that it would cause violence. I can see legitimate reasons to push that as a crime."

Haase then asked why those questions were relevant.

"You are injecting yourself into the judicial system and so I think it's fair inquiry," Paskvan replied. "If you have a motivation to limit who would be advanced to a judgeship ... then your beliefs and attitudes are important," Paskvan said.

(Excerpt) Read more at adn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: adultery; alaska; moralabsolutes; parnell
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To: scott7278; TheDingoAteMyBaby
I’ve been saving myself for 32 years for my future wife... you and I are odd, I guess. ;)

Maybe you two should exchange Freepmails. You know you have at least two things in common, so far. :)

141 posted on 03/29/2011 9:15:55 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Free Vulcan

You are far from either a Jesus or a “Pharisee”!


142 posted on 03/29/2011 9:25:25 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Free Vulcan

Your system is one based on the assumption that law comes from man, and that man has the final say. That is not the Judeo-Christian Natural Law position. Hence we are not even discussing with same ontological inventory.

As for my answer, you are the one who wants to make assumptions. Given that there were two possible questions that I could have been responding to, why did you automatically assume that I was responding to the later one?


143 posted on 03/29/2011 9:25:57 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: allmendream

Jefferson wasn’t present at the Constitutional Convention, he was off in France at the time. Wilson was instrumental in crafting the Constitution, and was actually responsible for voting on it, as well as instrumental in having it ratified in Pennsylvania. Further, Wilson was considered to be perhaps the most learned individual at the Convention. Moreover, Wilson actually served in a position where he was directly responsible for the interpretation of the Constitution that he helped Frame. Jefferson can claim none of those things.

Moreover, Wilson’s views were shared by most of the others who attended the Convention.


144 posted on 03/29/2011 9:28:24 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
Madison based WHAT in the Constitution on what Wilson had written or said?

I outlined a direct link between the writing of Madison of the 1st Amendment (the one under discussion) DIRECTLY to the writings of Thomas Jefferson.

What direct link can you show between what Madison wrote and any influence Wilson had upon it in writing or words?

It is revisionist history of the worst sort to dismiss the influence of Jefferson on the Constitution.

145 posted on 03/29/2011 9:39:29 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

Wow you are ignorant. You act as if Madison wrote the Constitution by himself. Wilson sat on the Committee of Detail, he gave the second most number of speeches at the Convention, he had an active hand in writing and voting on the various provisions in the Constitution.

Jefferson? Oh yeah, he was in France.


146 posted on 03/29/2011 9:43:24 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: BwanaNdege
However, adultery is a MAJOR factor in the breakup of homes.

Not as big a factor as divorce. Should we ban that as well?

147 posted on 03/29/2011 9:52:01 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: freedomwarrior998
Wow are you dense.

So in other words you HAVE NO direct link between the 1st Amendment written by Madison and the writings or speeches of Wilson. Madison himself cited Thomas Jefferson and the Virgina Religious Freedom Act he penned as the inspiration for the 1st Amendment.

Oh, but Jefferson had NOTHING to do with it, well other than being directly cited by the author as the inspiration and basis.

So apparently you need to dismiss and demean one of our most influential founding fathers, and completely ignore Madison citing him as a direct inspiration in order to buy into your revisionist history.

148 posted on 03/29/2011 10:10:13 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

You assume that you know God’s law and how it should be applied and enforced. You put yourself in the position that you would be the arbiter and gatekeeper as to what is and what is not God’s law. Therein lies your problem.

You can talk about God’s law all you want, but in the end it comes down to you and your supposed moral superiority as the one to decide and apply that law. I simply rejected your assumption that you are morally superior and declared myself superior to you, and by that authority will interpret and apply God’s law as I see it.

How is that different from you and your self-derived authority?


149 posted on 03/29/2011 10:19:40 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: bvw

Since you obviously have assigned yourself a position of judgement based on your morally superior status, I have no doubt you think that way.


150 posted on 03/29/2011 10:22:59 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: allmendream

I just gave you one genius. Do you even know what the Committee of Detail was? Do you know what was involved with assuring the ratification of the Constitution? Wow... just wow.


151 posted on 03/29/2011 10:28:05 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Free Vulcan

God reveals his law to us, both through the Revealed and Natural Law. This is the position that formed the bedrock of the Western Legal Tradition for most of our History. Contrary to your assertions, there is nothing close to man picking and choosing in the way that you suggest.

Hence, as I stated before, we aren’t even discussing this with the same ontological inventories.


152 posted on 03/29/2011 10:30:55 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
So in other words Madison, who wrote the 1st Amendment, cited directly Thomas Jefferson and his Virginia Law of Religious Freedom as his inspiration - and he did not at any time cite Wilson as an inspiration.

As such what Jefferson had to say on the 1st Amendment seems much more relevant than what Wilson has to say. At least according to Madison.

Oh, but Wilson was on the committee! And apparently in your mind being on the committee was more inspirational that actually writing what the author based his own writing on.

Delusional doesn't begin to cover you revisionist history trying to remove the influence of Jefferson from the writing of the Constitution.

153 posted on 03/29/2011 10:32:51 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Free Vulcan

I knew a very cultist pastor once who took the stoning of the woman who committed adultery story completely differently. He actually said that because we are ‘forgiven of sin’, we have the right to cast the first stone. I think that pastor may be here.


154 posted on 03/29/2011 10:33:10 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: allmendream

It’s painfully obvious that you have no idea what the Committee of Detail is, nor with the process by which the Constitution was drafted and ratified.

You have a quest to worship Jefferson because you think that he supports your twisted man-centered view of the law. In doing so, you pretend that Madison wrote the Constitution alone, with the help of only Jefferson. Laughably, in the annotated Reports of Virginia that Jefferson helped compile, Adultery, the subject of this thread is clearly listed as a crime (along with fornication).

I guess if you want to invoke Jefferson as the authority, you have to take adultery laws with everything else he brings to the table.


155 posted on 03/29/2011 10:40:13 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
It is painfully obvious that you are on a quest to dismiss Jefferson as an influence upon the writing of the Constitution because it doesn't fit your view of the law.

Madison wrote the 1st Amendment.

Madison directly said that he based the 1st Amendment upon the writings of Thomas Jefferson.

Thus your statement that Jefferson somehow had nothing to do with writing the Constitution is OBVIOUSLY in error.

That has nothing to do with Wilson, or the Committee of Detail. Nothing Wilson wrote or said was directly cited by Madison (who need not have written the Constitution in its entirety to be the acknowledged author of the 1st Amendment) as the inspiration for the 1st Amendment.

There is a direct link between Jefferson and the 1st Amendment. Wilson was on the Committee. As such it is obvious to all but the deliberately obtuse or the lackwit revisionist historian that Jefferson had a more direct influence on the writing of the 1st Amendment than Wilson did - and ANY statement that Jefferson had ‘nothing to do with it’ is absolutely moronic, ahistorical, and delusional.

156 posted on 03/29/2011 10:47:00 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

You can keep stamping your feet, throwing a tantrum and repeating yourself ad infinitum, but it will not change the fact that Jefferson was in France and did not participate in the Constitutional convention. Nor will it change the fact that Blasphemy was a criminal offense for which people were convicted long after the ratification of the Constitution. Nor will it change that James Wilson participated in drafting, voting and ratifying the Constitution. Nor will it change the fact that James Wilson, as an Associate Justice on the United States Supreme Court was in a far better position to determine whether such law conflicted with the First Amendment.

Feel free to type yourself silly in your quest to elevate Jefferson to a position that he did not hold.

Not to mention, Jefferson, your hero recognized that Adultery and Fornication were criminal offenses (something that you neglect to address in your rambling response.)

Have a nice day! :)


157 posted on 03/29/2011 10:52:28 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
None of that has anything to do with your insistence that Jefferson had ‘nothing to do with’ the writing of the Constitution, specifically the 1st Amendment.

Do you wish, in light of Madison (the author of said Amendment) directly citing Jefferson as the inspiration for the 1st Amendment, to revise or amend your remark?

If not, it is obvious you are on a delusional quest to revise history and remove Jefferson and his Virginia statute as the inspiration for what Madison wrote.

Wilson, fornication and adultery have nothing to do with your ahistoric delusion that Jefferson had ‘nothing to do with’ the writing of the Constitution.

Can you understand that? Or should I repeat it to you a few more times?

158 posted on 03/29/2011 10:57:51 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: K-Stater

“Many couples that go through extramarital affairs end up staying together for their children’s sake. Marriage experts say that the real test begins after the affair is over.

Only 35 percent of unions survive an extramarital affair.
65 percent of marriages break up because of adultery

Nothing can destroy a marriage faster than extramarital affairs and marital infidelity.”

http://www.infidelity-etc.com/index.php/4


159 posted on 03/29/2011 11:06:40 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("All it takes for Evil to triumph is for good MEN to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: Free Vulcan

My status is certainly NOT morally superior. My own level of sin is quite high — some is mortal. Yet should a man’s sin’s be his burden, in that they make him too ashamed to function, too dispirited to help others and do — in the now and in the future — what is right?

Yes, men need the ability to fail, for only in that can we appreciate success. But this is also a real world, not an ideal one. The law — the public law of a place — sets standards. A culture’s ideals, regular behaviors, habits and lists of tolerated and intolerated aberrations set another group of standards. Best when law and culture complement one another.


160 posted on 03/29/2011 1:35:36 PM PDT by bvw
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