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Army accused of covering up mistakes in Afghan battle
CNN World ^ | March 25, 2011 | Drew Griffin and Jessi Joseph

Posted on 03/26/2011 5:30:59 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner

It will go down in history as one of the U.S. military's worst battles in Afghanistan. And according to the families of the soldiers who died there, the history written by the U.S. Army is biased and inaccurate.

Relatives of those killed in Wanat, at a combat outpost in the rugged mountains of northeastern Afghanistan, say the Army is covering up mistakes made by the dead mens' commanders and placing blame on a junior officer who was simply following orders.

A military investigation that followed, led by Marine Lt. General Richard Natonski, blamed the deaths in part on dereliction of duty by superior officers of the 173rd Airborne Brigade and called for career-ending reprimands for company, battalion and brigade commanders up the chain.

Those recommendations were approved by Gen. David Petraeus, then chief of U.S. Central Command, which oversees American forces in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Army Secretary James McHugh then tasked Gen. Charles Campbell, the chief of the Army's Forces Command at the time, with reviewing Natonski’s investigation and taking appropriate action regarding the recommended letters of reprimand. After reviewing Natonski’s investigation and meeting with the chain of command, Gen. Campbell concluded that the officers were neither negligent nor derelict and rescinded the letters of reprimand.

(Excerpt) Read more at afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; investigation; usarmy; wanat
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Wanat was where the Army senior brass in Afghanistan thought that it was a good idea to establish and maintain an outpost in the bottom of a geographical fish barrel. The Taliban got into the wire and nearly overran it, killing nine soldiers before being fought off.

Battle of Wanat

The revised report cited in this piece is a complete sham and whitewash, and essentially blames the dead.

1 posted on 03/26/2011 5:31:02 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Quagmire.


2 posted on 03/26/2011 5:42:38 AM PDT by Huck (Fools make feasts and wise men eat them - Poor Richard)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Reminds me of the movie Zulu.
3 posted on 03/26/2011 5:47:30 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Sulzberger Family Motto: Trois generations d'imbeciles, assez)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Shades of Firebase Ripcord/O’Reilly from Vietnam War.


4 posted on 03/26/2011 5:47:47 AM PDT by donozark ("Never wound a King." Machiavelli)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Typical Army stuff. I’m surprised they didn’t blame it on a Sergeant, but there was a dead Lieutenant available that fit the bill nicely.


5 posted on 03/26/2011 5:50:27 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

You are 100% correct. The excuse given by Campbell only aggrivates the situation. Imagine being told you son’s death was caused by incompetent leadership but we can’t get rid of that leadership because it would endanger those left standing.

I was raised an Army Brat up to my junior year in HS. I received my welcome letter the year out of HS and enlisted. This is the same sorry crap I ended what would have been an Army career that was my intension when I joined.

My heart felt condolences to the families of those lost and wounded over someone’s more important concern of looking good for the JCS dog and pony show. I seem to recall this was during the time of the Stanley McCrystal soiled command of handing out the p*ssy restraint medals.

Isn’t it amazing how all of the so-called leaders who advance under times of a liberal CIC are most often the ones who managed not to be fragged?


6 posted on 03/26/2011 5:51:24 AM PDT by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: mazda77

NOTE TO SELF

Intention, not intension. But then again the tension may be getting to me.


7 posted on 03/26/2011 5:53:13 AM PDT by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

It looks to me that the Army held the commanders responsible up the command level to the point where Obama administration politically appointed civilians white washed the story, probably to avoid bad news for Obama’s fighting of the Afghan war.


8 posted on 03/26/2011 5:55:14 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Reminds me of stories I heard from Army vets who served in Nam. This is not a cover up. This is just a bad evaluation of an event that never should have been allowed to happen. It is also a good example of what happens when army officers become managers and not war fighters.


9 posted on 03/26/2011 5:55:52 AM PDT by Destroyer Sailor
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Being an old sailor, this kind of Bravo Sierra reminds me of the USS Iowa and the Navy’s attempt to posthumously crucify Clayton Hartwig.


10 posted on 03/26/2011 5:58:06 AM PDT by EricT. (Can we start hanging them yet?)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I suspect this is one reason why the founding fathers of this country opposed a large standing Federal army and instead looked upon state militias as the backbone of our military force.

Time and time again, the Federal government will prove that it is an untrustworthy, incompent steward of the nation's best interests . . . and these stories of incompetence on a battlefield halfway around the world only serve to reinforce that.

11 posted on 03/26/2011 6:00:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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This is not why the founding fathers did not want standig armies. If they liked militias so much why did they create standing armies? probably because most militias were signed up from 60 to 90 days and then had to be released which usually happened right in the middle of a campaign. Another reason, they were undisciplined mobs, and couldn’t stand up to a regular army with fixed bayonets. The Americans did not win major battles against the British until they started using regulars with a few exceptions.


12 posted on 03/26/2011 6:17:27 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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The Americans did not win major battles against the British until they started using regulars with a few exceptions.

Very true. Even after, for that matter.

Guerrilla warfare doctrine did not exist, and American leaders did not realize they didn't need to win battles. That, in fact, fighting and routinely losing battles almost lost them the war.

For the most obvious example, Washington attempted to defend NYC, which against a superior navy was quite impossible. That he did not lose the war at that point was due only to the most amazing combination of luck, British complacency (not incompetence) and weather.

13 posted on 03/26/2011 6:29:55 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Even a novice knows tha you don’t set up an outpost in a ravine surrounded by mountains.

Who picked this site? The Commanders, not some low level officer OR the troops are esponsible for this outrage.

Even the Talis probably couldn’t believe their good fortune.

With Commanders like this....BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW.


14 posted on 03/26/2011 6:35:27 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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Even a novice knows tha you don’t set up an outpost in a ravine surrounded by mountains.

Well it worked out ok for the French at Dien Bien Phu.

Oh, wait...

15 posted on 03/26/2011 6:43:02 AM PDT by 11Bush
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To: Destroyer Sailor

Part of the Vietnam analogy not to be missed is that the VC and NVA were willing to take horrificly unfavorable casualities ratios in order to kill a few Americans. They understood that every dead GI was a propaganda victory, like Tet, where they got shellacked on the battlefield and won a huge victory in the American media.


16 posted on 03/26/2011 6:48:27 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Sulzberger Family Motto: Trois generations d'imbeciles, assez)
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To: Americanexpat
I said that was one reason why the founding fathers didn't like standing armies. The primary reason was that they had an inherent distrust of Federal power, and even the "regulars" were raised from state militias.

Before our global empire-building age began around the turn of the 19th/20th century, some of the most effective fighting forces this country ever had were small units with a closed leadership system rather than massive forces with a bureaucratic leadership. I would include Vermont's Green Mountain Boys, Daniel Morgan's Virginia Riflemen, Francis Marion and his "Marion's Men," and the Texas Rangers.

In some cases these units were too effective, for they were great fighting forces but were totally unreliable for an organized Federal nation-building effort. The Green Mountain Boys, for example, went from heroes of the American Revolution with the sacking of Ticonderoga and Crown Point in 1775 to a band of "outlaws" in 1777 when they declared that Vermont would be an independent nation (this is why Vermont is conspicuously absent among all of the Northeast colonies in the original thirteen states) and the Continental Congress tried to compel Gen. George Washington to subdue them.

17 posted on 03/26/2011 6:52:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

A FOB set in a bowl.(low ground) Top commanders fault.

Air support mission redirected. Top commanders fault.

Lack of personal supplies. Every leaders fault.

Only so many troops to do so many patrols. Top commanders fault.

Drones redirected. Top commanders fault.

Lack of personal supplies.(water) Every leaders fault.

Nine troops dead due to an entire units leadership letting 200 enemy forces surround and attack the FOB and let it get worse after ‘Contact’ is called in. Top commanders fault.


18 posted on 03/26/2011 7:51:22 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Alberta's Child
You left out George Rodgers Clark who took Vinncinnes and Cahokia from the British thew revolution and captured “Hair Buyer Hamilton, the British commander in Detroit. There were a lot of good commanders and units as you point out but also they were many cases of American defeats because Militias broke and ran and insubordinate militia commanders especially during the War of 1812.
19 posted on 03/26/2011 8:29:58 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Marty62

Bad ground to begin with, as you say. Looks like Army forgot old adage,”Take the HIGH ground!”
Saw a film on TV that showed this valley. Like you say, I wondered who in hell picked THAT place to begin with?
Just sad for our troops and their families...


20 posted on 03/27/2011 11:10:25 AM PDT by donozark ("Never wound a King." Machiavelli)
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