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Restoration at nuke plant disrupted, radiation fears spread to Tokyo
Kyodo News Japan ^ | 24 March 2011

Posted on 03/23/2011 1:09:44 PM PDT by AwesomePossum

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To: catnipman
Somewhere, there is video of one of the reactor pools giving off a brilliant glow/light. I happened to be watching footage of the helicopter flyover on NHK when they pointed it out. I've been looking for it without any success.
221 posted on 03/23/2011 8:46:21 PM PDT by Errant
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To: blackdog

It was also appeared in the Cessna 172N.


222 posted on 03/23/2011 8:48:48 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
I got my private in a 152 in Vero Beach Fl. I did it quick because I couldn't take one more cramped hour shoulder to shoulder with an instructor. I then went to cherokees, arrows, and the aztec D.

My favorite GA plane ever was a Cardinal RG. Smoothe, spacious, kinda nice layout. A bit underpowered compared to a 205 , but still very nice to fly.

Worst GA plane ever was the Traumahawk.

223 posted on 03/23/2011 8:57:46 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: expatpat

Water to ice however does not generate a 1,600 times increase in volume like water to steam does.


224 posted on 03/23/2011 9:01:27 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: chimera
Uranium oxide melting is up close to 5000 deg. C.

I'm thinking that I read uranium oxide's boiling point was around that, but that the melting point was only about 2,800 C? No problem for a plasma torch though. :)

225 posted on 03/23/2011 9:03:17 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Revel
The quote from the article is:
Richard T. Lahey Jr., who was General Electric’s chief of safety research for boiling-water reactors when the company installed them at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, said that as seawater was pumped into the reactors and boiled away, it left more and more salt behind.

He estimates that 57,000 pounds of salt have accumulated in Reactor No. 1 and 99,000 pounds apiece in Reactors No. 2 and 3, which are larger.

The big question is how much of that salt is still mixed with water and how much now forms a crust on the uranium fuel rods.

That's unbelievable. 50 tons of salt?!?!? I mean, the insides of those reactors are big, but are they that big they can hold all that in addition to everything else in there?? Those numbers are an order of magnitude bigger than what I expected.
226 posted on 03/23/2011 9:11:43 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: FReepaholic

That gives you a good picture of the torus. The picture of the plant I posted has a suppression pool rather than a torus.


227 posted on 03/23/2011 9:12:00 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: blackdog
Worst GA plane ever was the Traumahawk.

Good candidate for sure.

I like the 172/177 Cessna RGs too. A little underpowered as you say, but very efficient, have a long range, and relatively fast with the gear folded.

228 posted on 03/23/2011 9:12:30 PM PDT by Errant
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To: AwesomePossum

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80539.html

Neutron beam observed 13 times at crippled Fukushima nuke plant

I know nothing about Nuclear power .. but this can’t be good


229 posted on 03/23/2011 9:13:15 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Errant

Blue glow? Cherenkov radiation?


230 posted on 03/23/2011 9:14:40 PM PDT by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: Revel

That doesn’t surprise me. They’re literally dumping tons of water into the spent fuel pool area with helicopters and the deck guns on fire engines. Some of it has to wash out of the building given the damage. However, water is still not escaping from the containment.


231 posted on 03/23/2011 9:15:51 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: glock rocks

Not sure, it looked bright and in upper spectrum of white. Sorta like an arc from a welder but steady. No idea what size it was. You could see it inside the framework of the building and the translator/narrator pointed it out. It’s in one of the helicopter flyover videos. I’ve looked at a number of them on Youtube but haven’t found it.


232 posted on 03/23/2011 9:25:34 PM PDT by Errant
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To: catnipman

That was great...!

My understanding of Neutrons is limited but i understand the cause of beam like behaviour.


233 posted on 03/23/2011 9:28:44 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: Errant
Somewhere, there is video of one of the reactor pools giving off a brilliant glow/light.

A guy on another forum has a still of that but I can't get a hold of him now.

234 posted on 03/23/2011 9:31:51 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Munz; glock rocks

NeutonBeam?They should be burying that sucker as we speak.

If there is Cherenkov radiation ( blue glow) , its freaking too late. They will have to get out of Dodge.Why don’t they just bury the sucker? Thats the question the whole world is asking.They can go back in to clean up in 100 years or so.

The Japanese have a purity streak that may get massive numbers of people killed.They do not want to have to make Sendai into a no mans land for 5 generations, but they have to face the fact that it has to be done.Thats the real problem.


235 posted on 03/23/2011 9:32:41 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: steve86; glock rocks
It could have been fire inside the shadows of the roof of the building and the camera having brightness adjustment issues.

Is a "neutron beam" even visible?

236 posted on 03/23/2011 9:53:25 PM PDT by Errant
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To: glock rocks
Iodine is soluble in water. So, my guess is that most of it is iodine, with a relatively short half-life of about 8 days. Almost none of these reports indicate the concentration, but I would bet that it is far below a toxic dose. Low doses of radiation can actually have healthful benefits, including suppressing cancers (hormesis), so this is not necessarily bad news. However, I know less about ingested radio-isotopes than other modes of exposure. In any case, virtually all hazards associated with radioactive iodine can be mitigated with the ingestion of potassium iodide tablets.

Hence, I see little potential hazard here except for perhaps children. In their case, iodine pills, avoiding milk, and drinking bottled water should be sufficient precaution.

237 posted on 03/23/2011 10:21:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Steel looses its strength as temperatures increase.

In order to be 662 F and have water in liquid form the pressure inside has to be quite high. When you consider the size of the containment vessel and the pressure there are tremendous forces at work. It isn’t hard to believe the combination of those forces and temperatures beyond the design limits could cause a breach.


238 posted on 03/23/2011 10:48:11 PM PDT by DB
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To: AwesomePossum

A last resort for cooling is the nearby seawater. Why do you think they locate these type of reactors near a body of water?

Venting contaminated steam or discharging contaminated seawater, pick your poison.

Either you cool with seawater thereby contaminating, it in this case, and discharging it back into the open ocean (tons and tons of it) or you let the reactors meltdown then have to cool it down anyway and spew contamination (radioactive) into the open air and sea.

As of March 16th...Units 1 and 2: TEPCO has released estimates of the levels of core damage at these two reactors: 70% damage at Unit 1 and 33% at Unit 2...Noted at...http://mitnse.com/page/2/

Recently March 22nd...”Tokyo Electric Power Company released the results of a half-litre sample of water taken 100 metres south of the discharge channel from damaged units 1 to 4.
Testing for a range of radionuclides showed amounts below regulatory limits for cobalt-58, iodine-132 and cesium-136. Detections were far above limits, however, for cesium-137, cesium-134 and iodine-131...
...Iodine-131 has a half-life of eight days, so its potential danger reduces relatively quickly. Caesium-137 has a half life of 30 years, whereas the other isotope, caesium-134, has a half-life of two years. Additional monitoring at eight locations is to be carried out by the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology in conjunction with the Japan Atomic Energy Agency. Results from this are expected on 24 March.” Again this from the MIT site...http://mitnse.com/

It’s not clear to me how the spent fuel ponds are doing but anything using saltwater is toast (never to be used again). The MIT site also says units 5&6 are pumping saltwater through them to remove residual heat. I take that to mean via a heat exchange(r) but saltwater none the less but probably not contaminated.


239 posted on 03/23/2011 10:59:52 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: blackdog; dayglored

Thinking about your questions makes me realize something that I have been musing in my mind for some days now ...there must be A WHOLE LOT that we have no idea about, and the situation in Japan is not as bad as those saying meltdown claim, but at the same time it is nowhere as ‘ok’ as those FReepers calling folk Chicken Littles also claim it is. I believe there is a lot of information that is not being released, and it is only when things go a certain direction (e.g. a ‘success’ story yesterday today becoming one where workers get evacuated) that some news comes out because it cannot be kept down. I am not talking conspiracy or anything like that, simply stating that while it is not a Chernobyl it is also not ‘nothing to be concerned about’ or a ‘radiation is good for you’ scenario.


240 posted on 03/23/2011 11:22:32 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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