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Proposed Bill Allows Employees to Keep Guns in Cars at Work(ND)
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| 22 March, 2011
| Amanda Tetlak
Posted on 03/23/2011 4:58:55 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: dbehsman
“Nobody has an inalienable right to be on another person’s land.”
What is that, the 3rd amendment in the Bill of Rights? Because you are suggesting a property owner can violate the 4th on a whim.
* Fourth Amendment Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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posted on
03/23/2011 6:36:06 AM PDT
by
TxDas
(This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
To: circlecity
provide an example to demonstrate what you are asking.
When a private property owner opens up his or her property to the public (ex. to do business), does that private property owner then have the right to say that a person's Second Amendment rights are no longer valid in the person's car?
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posted on
03/23/2011 6:39:23 AM PDT
by
dbehsman
(NRA Life member, and loving every minute of it.)
To: circlecity
No, the OSHA statute itself prohibits this.And what is the OSHA statute predicated on?
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posted on
03/23/2011 6:41:44 AM PDT
by
papertyger
(Progressives: excusing hate by accusing hate.)
To: papertyger
“Can an employer require an employee to wave OSHA regs as a condition of employment?”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20090220/ai_n31383050/ p>
This article explains what the 10th circuit court said about OSHA vs state law.
At least we have 1 court on our side.
Indiana passed this law last year and my employer immediately change the rules forcing the employee to pay for back round and security checks, give a list of all firearm serial numbers and permits ect.
If there are any Indiana Lawyers interested in showing their mis-implementation of the law please send me a private post.
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posted on
03/23/2011 6:44:59 AM PDT
by
hans56
To: dbehsman
Until the property owner decides to open his property up to the public. Then if he doesn't open the property to the public he can deny access and/or set terms and conditions upon entry. The vast majority of non-retail businesses are not open to the public. Even many retail businesses are closed to the public. I am not a member of Sam's club or Costco, for instance. So, the owners says I can't come in.
To: hans56
Thank you for the link to the article. From the article:
The initial law was passed after several Whirlpool employees were fired for storing firearms in their vehicles in company parking lots.
Well in the future when appliances in my home need to be replaced, my decision will be a little easier.
I will not do business with the anti-gun nazis at Whirlpool.
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posted on
03/23/2011 6:52:50 AM PDT
by
dbehsman
(NRA Life member, and loving every minute of it.)
To: dbehsman
"When a private property owner opens up his or her property to the public (ex. to do business), does that private property owner then have the right to say that a person's Second Amendment rights are no longer valid in the person's car?"
There is no second amendement right to posess firearms on another's private property if the property owner prohibits it. The constitution also provides for freedom of the press but that doesn't give someone the right to set up a newspaper business in my basement or parking lot.
To: dbehsman
What about a restaurant that requires a reservation to dine? You can’t just walk in, take a seat and order up the special. If they don’t extend a reservation, they are in fact barring you from the property.
To: circlecity
"They would have every right to require that anyone wishing to use their parking lot and work in their business sign a consent to search such vehile at any time, all are part of their efforts to enforce their no gun ban. Just as ones right to free speech doesnt prevent them from being fired if they mouth off to their employer." And I disagree. But let me ask precisely what you think such corporate policies accomplish?? If someone is going to "go postal", do you honestly think a company policy of "no firearms in your vehicle" is going to stop them?? When they're willing to commit multiple murders.
To: papertyger
"And what is the OSHA statute predicated on?"
I have no idea what that means or what you are asking.
To: Poison Pill
The vast majority of non-retail businesses are not open to the public.
That must explain why the all seem to have "Visitor Only" parking spots.
Even many retail businesses are closed to the public. I am not a member of Sam's club or Costco, for instance. So, the owners says I can't come in.
Sure, and if the business wants to discriminate against handicapped people, the business can ban them from the premise too. Right?
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posted on
03/23/2011 6:57:18 AM PDT
by
dbehsman
(NRA Life member, and loving every minute of it.)
To: Wonder Warthog
"And I disagree. But let me ask precisely what you think such corporate policies accomplish?? If someone is going to "go postal", do you honestly think a company policy of "no firearms in your vehicle" is going to stop them?? When they're willing to commit multiple murders."
First off, private property owners don't have to justify the wisdom of any legal restrictions they put on the use of their property. I'm not arguing the wisdom or lack thereof of such policies, just the right of a property owner to restrict the presence of firearms on his personal property if he deems it right to do so. I personally support the second amendment, own several firearms and practice with them regularly. But I support personal property rights every bit as much.
To: Poison Pill
What about a restaurant that requires a reservation to dine? You cant just walk in, take a seat and order up the special. If they dont extend a reservation, they are in fact barring you from the property.
Not quite. The restaurant is open to the public. Any member of the public can make a reservation.
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posted on
03/23/2011 6:59:53 AM PDT
by
dbehsman
(NRA Life member, and loving every minute of it.)
To: circlecity
Which is more important to you:
The Second Amendment rights of all Americans.
-Or-
The property rights of anti-gun bigots?
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posted on
03/23/2011 7:05:16 AM PDT
by
dbehsman
(NRA Life member, and loving every minute of it.)
To: dbehsman
Each are equally important. A free society could not stand without both.
To: dbehsman
Not quite. The restaurant is open to the public. Any member of the public can make a reservation. A reservation is asked for. It may or may not be granted. Hip nightclubs are famous for this. If you showed up to Studio 54 wearing keds, hornrims and a pocket protector you didn't get past the fuzzy rope.
To: circlecity
I have no problem with your concept of your ability to control what happens on your property as long as you go the whole nine yards.
Are you also responsible for the physical safety of all people on your property while they are on you property? If so, wouldn't they require you to be armed?
See various “public” shoot outs where patrons have been injured/killed by criminals and ask your self about your property rights again. Yes, such events are low probability events but then so are hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and earth quakes. It is better to think things through to their end before it happens than to have regrets later.
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posted on
03/23/2011 7:10:29 AM PDT
by
Nip
(TANSTAAFL)
To: marktwain
I understand that property rights must be respected. I do too. However, my private vehicle property rights supercedes his parking lot property rights, imo. As long as my guns stay in my vehicle, I don't see where he has the right to violate my property rights.
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posted on
03/23/2011 7:10:36 AM PDT
by
upsdriver
(to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
To: Wonder Warthog
If the gun is in the person's vehicle, it's not being carried on YOUR property. Exactly!
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posted on
03/23/2011 7:11:59 AM PDT
by
upsdriver
(to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
To: dbehsman
if the business wants to discriminate against handicapped people, the business can ban them from the premise too. Right? Sam's club can require a handicapped person to apply for entry to the business. If entry is granted it comes with conditions.
BTW, the Whirlpool facility in question was not open to the public.
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