Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Itamar Massacre: Why Is Such Savagery Surprising?
Big Peace ^ | Andrew Bostom

Posted on 03/20/2011 9:37:13 AM PDT by ventanax5

Friday night 3/11/11 in Itamar, Samaria, parents, Udi, 36, and Ruth Fogel, 35, as well as three of their six children, Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and the 3-month old infant Hadas, were all brutally stabbed to death. The infant Hadas was in fact decapitated. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, terrorist wing of the Fatah faction headed by Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, claimed responsibility for the savage attack, characterizing it as a “heroic operation.”

Saturday evening (3/12/11) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu addressed the Itamar massacre. Netanyahu’s eloquent remarks included a demand

… that the Palestinian Authority stop the incitement that is conducted on a daily basis in their schools, mosques and the media under their control. The time has come to stop this double-talk in which the Palestinian Authority outwardly talks peace, and allows – and sometimes leads – incitement at home.

But Netanyahu failed to break a universally imposed, self-destructive taboo. He refused to identify the ubiquitous, if unnamed raw material for Palestinian Muslim “incitement”— the jihad and Jew-hating motifs from Islam’s mainstream, orthodox canon.

For the past 90 years, Palestinian Arab Muslim religious and political leaders, beginning with the founders of this jihadist movement, Hajj Amin el-Husseini and Izzad-Din al-Qassam, have imbued their rhetoric, unabashedly with the extensive jihadism and Jew-hatred—including apocalyptic, annihilationist themes—featured in Islam’s foundational texts: the Koran, hadith (words and deeds of Islam’s prophet Muhammad), and sira (the earliest pious Muslim biographies of Muhammad).

(Excerpt) Read more at bigpeace.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fogel; ggg; islam; israel; itamar; jews; jihad; koran; muslims; palestinian

1 posted on 03/20/2011 9:37:17 AM PDT by ventanax5
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: ventanax5
Y'all remember back around early 2000's there was a French oil tanker that was hit with a speed boat like the USS Cole was off the coast of Aiden Yemen?

We caught the guys who did that and one of them made a statement that's stuck with me very clearly like it happened yesterday.

"Well, of course, we'd rather have had a US Navy ship. But that's ok. They're all infidels."

We're all infidels. I'm an infidel. My wife is an infidel. My kids are infidels. My Grandkids are infidels. They're kids are going to be infidels. They're kids are going to be infidels. You get the common theme here?

We're all infidels that Islam just hasn't gotten around to slaughtering yet. But we're on the list. Make no mistake about that. We've taken a number and we're just waiting in line. There's a little clock right next to our ears and if you listen real closely, you can here it. Tick. Tick. Tick.

Outside the US, they're all primitive barbarians.

2 posted on 03/20/2011 9:45:37 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spineless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Here's the exact quote, via Mark Steyn from that era:

And afterwards a spokesman for the Islamic Army of Aden said, ‘We would have preferred to hit a US frigate, but no problem because they are all infidels.’

3 posted on 03/20/2011 9:52:46 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spineless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Muslims are Muslims, and everyone else is an infidel. The only thing needed to turn a normal Muslim into a demonic terrorist is a kook telling them what to do, and Islam is seething with kooks who have nothing to do but incite the do-nothing masses.


4 posted on 03/20/2011 9:56:40 AM PDT by pallis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ventanax5

Israel could do much to alleviate such viciousness were they to adopt a simple rule: when they kill such a monster, they not release the body for proper Muslim burial, but instead inter it in an unmarked pit filled with pig offal.

In truth, so as not to offend their Jewish sensibilities, they would not do this; instead putting the body in some prison graveyard; but they could state it as unofficial policy. And as such, by the rules of Islam, such individuals would go to Islamic Hell, with no chance at redemption.

This would severely crimp terrorist activity that could involve the Israelis recovering a body. Though it would be purely propaganda, once the seed was planted, the Israelis could openly deny they did such a thing. But they would still not return the body.


5 posted on 03/20/2011 9:58:59 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Better to feed all captives to hogs, then use the hogs for food for such Moslims as are being kept in prison until such time as they, too, become hog food.

Being certain of becoming hog food while still alive might give some Moslims a reason to reconsider their behavior. Now, if they are captured in the act of “cutting the neck” of anyone, they will be kept in prison, or released.

If they are shot, but not killed, we will provide free medical and surgical care. Such foolishness must stop.

Besides, hogs gotta eat, too.


6 posted on 03/20/2011 10:08:52 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ventanax5

Should we be surprised when a dingo savagely destroys a lamb? How about when a wolf slays sheep or some cattle? Why should any one expect a vicious predator to suddenly become what it is not?


7 posted on 03/20/2011 10:13:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HeartlandOfAmerica
People who think that their real wish is for a Palestinian homeland, are delusional.

Their real wish is the end of Israel and the Jews, period.

Then once Israel and the Jews are gone, it's on to the rest of us.

8 posted on 03/20/2011 10:19:49 AM PDT by susannah59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ventanax5

And why, when savages attack the civilized and the decent, do people insist on blaming the civilized and the decent? Why blame the victim of Itamar rather than the zombies who did it?

It is a combination of cowardices. Moral cowardice combined with physical cowardice. And a refusal to accept that the people who live out their lives decently in the face of such danger and who respond bravely to such savagery are your moral superiors. Rather than deal with this truth, people choose the alternative, which is to identify with the savages and justify their savagery while denying the obvious decency of the victim and the obvious nobility of the people who fight to defend the decent.


9 posted on 03/20/2011 10:32:07 AM PDT by marron
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
Exactly. Humans do not do such things on such a consistent basis...sure some crazy psycho now and again, but these are calculated acts which Muslims find honor in.

As someone who would describe myself as Christian but not stringently so and as such not apt to see many things in religious context I nonetheless must say that my only way of looking at this is that Islam is of the devil.

In this day and age such a concerted effort of constant terrible cruelty to even the young is simply not seen on such a broad scale outside of perhaps Islam and backwards African tribes.

What is even scarier is the amount of Westerners, (I know many myself) who will dismiss this as an isolated incident which is not representative of Islam. They will act appalled at suggestions that Islam as a whole is to blame. And as I have stated many times previously, they likely will never see the truth that their own self-hatred and denial hides from their eyes even as the blade reaches their necks.

10 posted on 03/20/2011 11:01:51 AM PDT by Ktulu
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: pallis

>Muslims are Muslims, and everyone else is an infidel.<

.
Don’t say it too loud or Rep. Peter King and Congress may declare you an Islamophobe.


11 posted on 03/20/2011 11:31:32 AM PDT by 353FMG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: susannah59
You betcha. A "Palestinian State" just means that the palestinian terror groups have the structure of a State to work with in their attempted conquest of Israel. They'd have a military that could more efficiently purchase weapons. They'd have an intel service that could get intel from other arab countries officially. They'd have diplomatic immunity. They'd have a voting seat at the UN. The list goes on and on.

If they'd transport weapons and homicide bombers to their jobs in amulances, what kind of moron thinks they would transport bombs and worse in their diplomatic pouches?

Tick! Tick! Tick!

12 posted on 03/20/2011 11:35:01 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spineless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: 353FMG

I’ve crossed that rubicon. Not only do I disrespect Islam and all the people who adhere to its nonsense, I view them all as my enemy. I will not be civil when in the presense of these people. That time has passed.

Oh, and you “hate police’ out there: What I said above has nothing to do with hate. It has everything to do with self and family preservation.


13 posted on 03/20/2011 12:13:34 PM PDT by dools0007world
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

..................

14 posted on 03/21/2011 4:19:18 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Well, as long as we’re all infidels, we might as well all join forces and give back better than we get. There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and about 14 million Jews. That seems a bit lop-sided, but even so, we’d gladly accept help from the billions of Christians, Hindus and Buddhists anyway.


15 posted on 03/21/2011 5:36:10 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson