Posted on 03/17/2011 10:39:24 AM PDT by milwguy
but much of that in now back under control.
Really the explosions are under control, or just quelled so far?
So you asked ME what I think, so you could go through it and pick on it line by line. Just as I had expected.
So you believe what you want, attack others with incomplete ‘reports’, and think you are swaying anyone???
I will try to get to that later tonight, but it will be a few hours at best.
Oh no, not you.
It's the description of the fire at reactor 4 in the info link I sent you previously:
"-- Reactor No. 4 - Under maintenance when quake struck, fire Tuesday possibly caused by hydrogen explosion at pool holding spent fuel rods, abnormal temperature rise in spent-fuel storage pool, fire observed Wednesday at building housing reactor, pool water level feared receding, renewed nuclear chain reaction feared.
Ok, so if all the fuel for reactor 4 was removed and is in the storage pool then what is causing the rise in temp, loss of water, observed fire, and fear of a "renewed nuclear chain reaction"?
Let me reiterate, it is fear of a "renewed nuclear chain reaction" in the storage pool, outside of containment.
Got it now?
So yes there is a potential equivalency with the open burn of fuel at Chernobyl. Except that the Fukishima storage pools have several times Chernobyl's fuel in each pool yet no graphite/carbon acting as a dispersal agent.
Sorry for the bold but I did spare you all-caps.
I think if they can get a lot of water onto these plants and hold that for what, two weeks we can consider the threat contained.
I am sorry, I thought we were having a discussion.
If you just want to have the last word, please feel free.
What?
You mean I may have researched more than you, I might know a little something about what I’m talking about...
What???
No, it’s so you can come back and dispute anything I’ve said..
Well, you do know I wasn’t the one who pinned it on you, right? LOL...I have my hands full enough trying to share my understanding of radiation safety without unintentionally stepping on people’s toes.
Yeah, no problem.
I commented on the “renewed nuclear chain reaction feared” and haven’t seen it elsewhere. I’d like to know the reporter’s source for this.
However, the question I asked you was about a “sustained burn” at the #4 spent fuel pond. The fire you reference is out and was not attributed to the fuel rods in the pond in any report I saw. It was observed in a corner of the building by a worker and not observed since.
I’m asking whether there is a sustained burn, presumably fire, going on with the #4 spent fuel rods. I don’t know about potentiality, I’m looking for actuality, which I’m not seeing.
And thanks for sparing me the all caps. :)
Tokyo (CNN) -- Efforts to cool one of the reactors at a quake-damaged Japanese nuclear power plant have been "somewhat effective" since authorities turned helicopters, fire trucks and police water cannon on the facility, its owner said early FridayWater spay cools down spent fuel pool...
Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the operator of the troubled nuclear power plants in northeastern Japan, said that high-pressure streams of water shot Thursday evening by plant workers effectively cooled down an overheating spent fuel pool.However, radiation levels detected around the facility have not been reduced. The latest figure indicate that after the water sprat maneuver was completed, radiation level at about 3,600 microsievert per hour, unchanged from before.
I would guess that things could get much worse, and you don’t want all your available workers already maxed out.
Plus, it has been fluctuating wildly, and they know there’s a source of radiation so a quick change of wind could send significant higher dosages at the workers.
This medium lacks normal communication’s cues; I’m really not trying to be confronting.
Maybe there is burning fuel rods, maybe in part, maybe continuously. I don’t know. I’m just trying to run down the info and get confirmations and evaluations where possible.
Getting the info and facts straight is the most frustrating part of this for me. Along with expert opinions that range all over the place.
thanks for your replies.
If the #4 storage pool’s stored Uranium oxide nuclear fuel rods were previously reported to be on fire, the container they’re in is not holding water, the temperature in the container is rising and the roof over the container was seen today to be distorted yet you persist in requiring additional substantiation of a sustained burn in the storage pool then I can’t help you any more.
I suppose the fire can be repeatedly denied until the fuel configuration has burned out and then there will be no report of fire. Maybe that’s what you’re interested in. But that does not appear to follow a reasonable view of reported facts.
Observation and deduction usually produce differing opinions of a given event so no biggie in our disagreement. I don’t plan on buying iodine pills anytime soon.
You aren’t.
We have current reports contradicting some assertions in your first paragraph here.
But I am just going to give up with this and move on to other things. It’s just not worth it.
Best regards...
Haven't seen any reports of requested graphite, but did see a huge request for boron (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2689431/posts ). If they can't drop water accurately or get water on the spent rods with fire cannons, how would they get boron on them?
But then, maybe they are feeling around to find a way to deliver it and once they are successful with sea water, they'll use the boron if they received it.
“Lots of FR contributors are not really helping out here wrt logic and reason. You’d think a nuclear plant disaster would warrant that....”
You just had an 9.1 earthquake that killed tens of thousands of people. The sum total of people who will die from the nuclear plant will perhaps crest a hundred or two over time.
What I know as an engineer is that the light bulbs will go off on our civilization without nuclear (solar is a joke). If the panic stricken anti-nukes had gotten out of the way forty years ago we would now be on modular third-plus and fourth generation reactors that don’t have these problems.
So pardon me if I don’t get too concerned. By the way, I wrote 174,000 word book on Yucca Mountain, so I’ve already done my part to try to edumcate people.
The Graphite question was poor sarcasm about the comparison to Chernobyl.
Some boron was previously used with the water.
Sorry, was trying to help.
I was in Munich when Chernobyl blew. We were never told the radiation levels, just saw men running around aiming gieger counters at the sky.
All I know is we weren’t to buy German milk or let our kids outside to play. The playgrounds were off-limits for almost 2 weeks.
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