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Lost city of Atlantis, swamped by tsunami, may be found
Yahoo News ^ | 12 mar 2011 | Zach Howard

Posted on 03/12/2011 3:40:55 PM PST by mandaladon

NORTHAMPTON, Mass (Reuters) – A U.S.-led research team may have finally located the lost city of Atlantis, the legendary metropolis believed swamped by a tsunami thousands of years ago in mud flats in southern Spain.

"This is the power of tsunamis," head researcher Richard Freund told Reuters.

"It is just so hard to understand that it can wipe out 60 miles inland, and that's pretty much what we're talking about," said Freund, a University of Hartford, Connecticut, professor who lead an international team searching for the true site of Atlantis.

To solve the age-old mystery, the team used a satellite photo of a suspected submerged city to find the site just north of Cadiz, Spain. There, buried in the vast marshlands of the Dona Ana Park, they believe that they pinpointed the ancient, multi-ringed dominion known as Atlantis.

The team of archeologists and geologists in 2009 and 2010 used a combination of deep-ground radar, digital mapping, and underwater technology to survey the site.

Freund's discovery in central Spain of a strange series of "memorial cities," built in Atlantis' image by its refugees after the city's likely destruction by a tsunami, gave researchers added proof and confidence, he said.

Atlantis residents who did not perish in the tsunami fled inland and built new cities there, he added.

The team's findings will be unveiled on Sunday in "Finding Atlantis," a new National Geographic Channel special.

While it is hard to know with certainty that the site in Spain in Atlantis, Freund said the "twist" of finding the memorial cities makes him confident Atlantis was buried in the mud flats on Spain's southern coast.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atlantis; cadiz; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; richardfreund; samothrace; spain; tsunami
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To: PIF; LostInBayport; newguy357

Well put.


61 posted on 03/13/2011 9:07:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: BipolarBob; LostInBayport; NicknamedBob
me, from an defunct forum:
April 25, 2000 21:15:47 EDT -- The Hapgood, Hancock, and Flem-Ath ideas about the various medieval maps of Antarctica are gently and cogently refuted by Robert Schoch in his Voices of the Rocks (p 105-106 in particular, but the entire discussion begins a few pages earlier and is well worth reading).

July 31, 2000 17:40:48 EDT -- Regarding Hapgood -- I don't accept his interpretation of the old maps. Clearly those are based on copies of ancient originals, but often do not show what he claimed. The coastlines of all the continents were different before and during the most recent global glaciation. Maps made by purported, very ancient mapmaking civilizations would not show conditions remarkably similar to those of today. Robert Schoch's explanation of the apparent ice-free Antarctica in those maps makes more sense to me despite my catastrophist orientation.

August 17, 2000 20:19:11 EDT -- One reason gradual change doesn't explain glaciation is the lack of intermediate shorelines. The low point of the sealevel is attested by the "fossil" shoreline, but no intervening higher level is found in now submerged areas. This indicates that sealevel fell too quickly -- and rose again too quickly -- to leave traces of the intermediate locations. This alone dispenses with Hapgood's 2,000 years or so of crustal displacement, but the Flem-Aths have discarded that detail in favor of a very rapid crustal displacement. The Flem-Aths are stuck, however, because of the hemispheric discrepancy which can't be explained by pole shift. Antarctica is isolated by water, but the southern hemisphere is also cooler today due to the presence of the Antarctic icecap (at least that's the conventional reason -- Milankovitch would disagree).

62 posted on 03/13/2011 9:10:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: madison10; JohnBovenmyer; reaganaut; mrreaganaut; engrpat; wolfman23601; mass55th

New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289 | 13 July 1997 | Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Posted on 07/29/2004 12:25:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1180724/posts


63 posted on 03/13/2011 9:11:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The flooding of the Black Sea area some 7000 years ago would have made for better legend creation, being a gradual rise that allowed or forced an orderly migration, than a catastrophic disaster such as was described by Plato.

Atlantis fell too quickly to have been anything gradual, and disappeared too utterly to have been easily located.

I’m still very intrigued by what may be yet discovered in the ancient shoreline of the Black Sea, which may be an anoxic icebox for preservation.

Similar discoveries may yet tell us fascinating aspects of time spent in other lost lands such as Beringia and Doggerland.

But nothing will be more rewarding than tangible aspects of that fabled lost Atlantis!


64 posted on 03/13/2011 9:47:12 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (I get my exercise. I take my vitamins. I tell pain it can come along, but it'll have to ride in back)
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To: SunkenCiv
Oh, and in regard to timelines and the calculations regarding Bishop Usher, I just had an amusing vision:

A man with ragged beard and long robe, carrying a sign ... six thousand years ago!

"The World is going to ... Begin!"

65 posted on 03/13/2011 9:52:04 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (I get my exercise. I take my vitamins. I tell pain it can come along, but it'll have to ride in back)
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To: NicknamedBob

And yet, the only remotely compelling legend about the Black Sea flood they could come up with is from Diodorus’ preservation of a possible account of the glacial meltdown. The Aegean islanders who were the source of this tale were not in the right place, so Ryan and Pitman try to explain them as a transplant — descendants of a group that lost their homes in the flooded area, crossed over the hundred+ miles to an Aegean Island, then transferred their tale of loss and survival to their new surroundings during subsequent generations. Diodorus even states that submerged remains of their lost town could still be seen. IOW, this is probably completely unrelated to the Black Sea flood — the tale may be the result of some submerged ruins from one of the all-too-common quakes during classical times, and during Mycenaean times.

Experts Face Off on ‘Noah’s Flood’
by John Noble Wilford
January 9, 2001
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/09/science/09FLOO.html?pagewanted=all

... “The large claim connecting the Black Sea flood and Noah’s flood can no longer be sustained,” Dr. Andrew M. T. Moore, an archaeologist and dean of liberal arts at the Rochester Institute of Technology, said in an interview afterward.

Dr. Stephanie Dalley, a historian at Oxford University in England and a specialist on Babylonian mythology, said that the “supposed similarities” between the Black Sea event and the flood story of Gilgamesh “are random and wrong.” ...


66 posted on 03/13/2011 1:50:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: NicknamedBob

I’m going to steal that one! :’)


67 posted on 03/13/2011 1:50:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Black Sea wreck and prehistoric settlement:

http://www.google.com/search?q=robert+ballard+Sinop


68 posted on 03/13/2011 1:54:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t see it as particularly a problem that the flooding of the Black Sea, and remaining legendary tales may disagree in some particulars. That is the nature of legends.

My point was that a slow-acting cataclysm was more likely to engender fables than an event that occurs in a single day.

With the Black Sea flooding, which has left geological evidence, villagers and fishermen in the area would have had time to salvage their possessions and relocate as best they could. I wrote of this in the poem on my about page.

What I find exciting is the newly revealed and yet to be revealed information about these formerly hidden lands. Our history keeps getting pushed back further and further.

To me, that’s a good thing. We are, as a species, like an amnesiac awakening in a strange city, knowing nothing of his previous life and former relations with others.

Following through on these discoveries is like restoring memories, and making us feel more a part of a wondrous continuum of growth and benevolent opportunities.


69 posted on 03/13/2011 2:29:42 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I get my exercise. I take my vitamins. I tell pain it can come along, but it'll have to ride in back)
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To: mandaladon

She looks Eurasian. However, the Welsh and Irish can be heavy lidded. Early celtic?


70 posted on 03/13/2011 3:44:07 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: SunkenCiv

Hot Dang so that is why the shot the nose off that thing LMAO!


71 posted on 03/13/2011 3:54:24 PM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: mandaladon; SunkenCiv

Thanks Civ for the Ping!
Research on Atlantis always fascinating.
Plato, writing over 2000 years ago, was writing about events long before his time, possibly thousands of years before. The legend of Atlantis was passed down through oral tradition.
Some day , hopefully ASAP, the true Atlantis will be found. Edgar Cayce wrote extensively about Atlantis, and predicted it would be found.
Read Edgar Cayce, “The Sleeping Prophet”


72 posted on 03/13/2011 4:09:44 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: mandaladon

bflr


73 posted on 03/13/2011 4:16:11 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: mrreaganaut

The Thera explosion caused the Plagues in Egypt (I’m pretty sure there was a PBS special on that, too.)

Well, not at the time.


74 posted on 03/13/2011 4:25:27 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Thera/Thira (Santorini) ... most fascinating of places to research and visit in the Greek Isles, IMHO.


75 posted on 03/13/2011 4:31:26 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Lees Swrd

;’)


76 posted on 03/13/2011 6:00:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Cincinna

It makes for interesting reading, and I lend it little credence, and even less clearwater. But it’s interesting that Cayce (who clearly consciously or unconsciously borrowed from Madame Blavatsky’s scam) stated that there were connecting chambers in the Sphinx’ right paw (which is the left paw when viewed from the front, but is indeed the right paw), and sonic studies have shown that to be the case. Or casey. Anyway, this obviously doesn’t mean a darned thing until the Gyppoes actually open it up and have a look, but Thutmose’ Dream Stele sez, right out, that the Sphinx stands on top of a door, suggesting that the pharaoh’s broom crews found an opening.

http://www.edgarcayce.org/


77 posted on 03/13/2011 6:05:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It will be interesting to see if the ‘ring people’ have artifacts similar to the Minoans, or if their ‘city’ is more like Stonehenge. I believe that the Phoenicians were the same people as the Minoans, and that the ‘Palace of Minos’ was a religious site rather than an administrative center. Of course, a city can be both, as seen in Mesopotamian and Indian cities.

However, the concentric organization of cities for religious purposes (albeit concentric squares) is well-documented in India, and its presence in Phoenician sites would provide a physical model for Atlantis. Since we have no extant Phoenician sites (beyond Minos), this could be very good for Phoenician studies - unless it’s totally unrelated and good for Stonehenge studies, instead!


78 posted on 03/13/2011 6:36:38 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (When can the Martian Republic declare independence?)
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To: mrreaganaut
However, the concentric organization of cities for religious purposes (albeit concentric squares) is well-documented in India, and its presence in Phoenician sites would provide a physical model for Atlantis. Since we have no extant Phoenician sites (beyond Minos), this could be very good for Phoenician studies - unless it’s totally unrelated and good for Stonehenge studies, instead!

Most of these are commemoration of the very long lasting zeta-pinch aurora that happened sometime between about 10,000BC and later. See #15 and 18 in the publications list. You are in for a fascinating read.
79 posted on 03/13/2011 6:46:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: SunkenCiv

Civ, I’m not so quick to dismiss Edgar Cayce as a scam. From everything that is known, and it has been heavily researched & documented, he was a decent and honest Christian gentleman, who never made money from his work. IMO he was a truly gifted psychic. His medical diagnoses and remedies are well documented, and still used today.
Have you read the books?


80 posted on 03/13/2011 11:34:37 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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