Posted on 03/11/2011 8:47:50 AM PST by Normandy
Questions poured in when the Italian engineer, Andrea Rossi, the inventor of the so-called 'energy catalyzer' which may be based on cold fusion, met with Ny Teknik's readers in a live chat. Read all questions and answers here.
Rossi's 'energy catalyzer' was shown to an invited audience in Bologna in January 2011 and produces heat by an unknown reaction. The reactor of the device is loaded with nickel powder in the presence of secret catalysts, and pressurized with hydrogen.
Question: Dear mr Rossi! When can I buy a small energy-catalyst machine at about 7-15 kW to temperate my house? What will it cost? Are you going to construct a machine (for ex with a Stirling machine) which also can produce electricity enough for the private household? / Åke Östlund
Rossi: To produce Energy Catalyzers (E-Cat from now) for the households, it takes time for the necessary certifications. This is the reason why we are starting from industrial applications, or even centralized thermal energy distribution systems: in these applications the authorizations are less difficult, because the plants are operated by skilled professionals. Yes, we are also designing electric power systems, which use the well known cycles: Carnot Cycle, Stirling, etc. As for the costs, we foresee 1 cent per kWh for the electric energy, 0,3 cents per thermal kWh, 2.000 Euro per kW of power.
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I think you mean he claims to have a repeatable, safe, economical way to produce energy.
Have you actually seen it do what he claims?
I have dreamed about something like this since the 80’s, but after all the claims and promises nothing came of it. I clearly remember such claims in the 90’s with models being for sale.
This man had a public display, invited journalists and physists to attend. He then flipped a switch with industrial and laboratory grade measurement devices (with calibration sheets) before the experiment - then turned the devices over to a governing body AFTER the experiment.
The reactor was displayed on a table - nothing left the room. You can see for yourself. Also, with the University of Bologna underwriting this - that adds a LOT of credabilty. Sort of like Harvard or Yale underwriting a similar discovery here.
http://pesn.com/2011/01/14/9501743_10_kW_nickel_hydrogen_cold_fusion_demo_coming_January_15_in_Italy/
No, but I'm giving strong thoughts of making a trip to Italy to see it.
Have you ever looked around the PESwiki? Your source is familiar to me, I have gone to it for years. Take a look around, they have a lot of questionable science there. In fact, I think that is where I heard of ENECO and the rechargable aluminum battery.
The guy that did the scam in Poland did the same. He had reporters and physicists there. In fact, he even had one of them camping out in his lab. Couldn’t detect the scam until the motor arrived.
Until he lets it leave his room so that it goes to the university lab and they are able to independently verify everything or a device that can’t be tampered with is used, it is 100% bs in my book.
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Cold-Fusion-It-May-Not-Be-Madness-71916.html?wlc=1299868619
Lots of good perspective here. The Israelis and Japanese are smart and import 99% of their oil. Why didn’t they plough millions into cold fusion? Instead you have two Italian guys using their own money who make the breakthrough using cheap nickel!!!
The Italian CF guys say they are shipping out commercial units in three months. This will be the test.
Will they ship them by deadline?
Will they work as advertised?
Then you will know if this is for real
Ok ... let’s throw out the PESC source.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-italian-scientists-cold-fusion-video.html
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=465187
It’s getting critical reviews. Part of the problem that I see, is that the reaction that is taking place does not conform to established Nuclear models. And the Professors are reluctant to share too much of what they are doing until the patents are established.
The patent group wants to understand what is going on - and at this point no one is really sure what is happening, other than the observable results.
If you made this, how much info would you share? Share to much - and someone steals your idea. Not enough, and you are called a fraud. Frankly, I don’t care if it uses a ‘Sky-hook’; as long as it works and generates reliable, cheap and consistent power at a low cost - without harmful waste products - I can live with some mysteries in my life.
He’s only an “inventor” if he actually invented something.
I’ve read his recently published PCT (international) patent application, and it’s rubbish. It lacks any workable disclosure. It’s more like a lot of nebulous wishful thinking. I don’t see any patent office actually granting a patent on that application. Certainly not the USPTO, the EPO or the JPO.
I have had some interactions with patent attorneys and I confess they were some of the most intelligent folks I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with.
Don’t know you of course but that is my bias.
I don’t accept this guy’s claim or reject it. I’m just watching with interest.
Silly question.
You have a box that is the answer to mankind’s need for power. You demo it, you show what it can do. You invite journalists from all over the world, Physists and experts of any stripe.
Then someone calls you a liar, a theif and a fraud - unless you show them whats inside the box. What do you do?
Me, I patent the living daylights out of this; and make certain that what I have created isn’t stolen (Hello China) and marketed before I can get my money out of what I have created.
That is precisely what this man is doing. He’s building 128 more of these ‘scams’ with his own money; and putting them all together to produce a 1 MW generation station. Then, while these units are providing a revenue, he can continue to protect his creation, and recoup his expenses he has paid.
Tip too many secrets, and all of his effort, ideas and creations will become public domain. Here’s what makes me think this is NOT a fraud.
He is NOT taking on investors. He is NOT taking federal grants. This is financed entirely by himself and the members on his team. Seems like a stupid thing to do, if you want to run a scam, huh?
Oh. It’s just a revolutionary energy source or something. When I saw E-cat was hoping for a cool electronic cat.
Well, if he can really make steam, the scientists are going to be very busy.
I really do hope that he has something.
The guy in Poland did the same thing, said he isn’t taking investors.
That just made the investors chop at the bit more. So they had private conversations and the guy said ok. But just you, don’t tell anyone else that you invested with me. If anyone gets wind of your investment, your out and I will give you money back.
Why this works so well and what is the purpose? well.... If it is all done secret it reduces the paper trail for the people to sue you when you disappear.
This is sooooooo a scam. This is Standard Operating Procedure.
As far as:
“Then someone calls you a liar, a theif and a fraud - unless you show them whats inside the box. What do you do?”
You provide him a device that you control totally that his device must provide power for. Just like they did in Poland, they provided a motor that had to be trucked in and assembled.
I have seen this over and over and over again, these scams occur with regular frequency since the late 1950s.
One day, it won’t be a scam. When we get that true independent verification I will be celebrating along with everyone else.
Disagree with the shipdate. Bad things happen, if the ship date slips - that has no bearing on the practicality or functionality of the device. What matters is does it work as advertized - and is it repeatable. If you built 128 units, and they all work - then I'd say "Yup, it's repeatable".
That's what killed the Cold Fusion from ~10 yrs ago. There were viable theories of what happened - obviously something happened. But, it was not repeatable. Not a scam - just a fluke that was never really understood. It happened only 2-4x out of hundreds of attempts to replicate it.
This system is turned on by a light-switch. It has 'allegedly' been started and stopped thousands of times without incident. You have to be pretty sure to call an international press conference, and flip a switch in front of everyone.
lol!
Do you know what a Con calls a “come on”?
It is a disarming statement meant to suck in the marks to make them vulnerable to the pitch.
“I am not taking any investors” after putting on such a public display is a guaranteed to be a come on.
THINK ABOUT IT!!! don’t be a mark
Ask yourself, why did he do it?
How do you produce dry steam from water?
Dry steam, means that the water was super-heated - no droplets of water in the steam (like ultra-sonics or boiling it on the stove would do).
That’s how the machine works. One small pump to meter in the Hydrogen, the Nickel is in particulate form - something is going on inside.
No combustion - everything on a table. Meters are calibrated then turned over for examination afterwards. 400 Watts in, 10.000 Watts worth of dry steam at the exhaust side.
Everything is on a table, so people can walk around it, look above and below. Water from an open container is filled, and steam is ejected. Leftover water is presented for chemical analysis.
That’s why people are very, very interested.
How does a magician makes himself transport places with a tiger, well the magician isn’t telling and neither is the con.
I’ll be interested when the stock prices of nickel mines quadruple. Until then, count me sceptical....
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