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DOT report: High-speed rail would have made more money (Florida)
Tampa Tribune ^ | March 9, 2011 | Ted Jackovics

Posted on 03/10/2011 7:48:47 AM PST by Iron Munro

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Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

Every time career politicians and bureaucrats lose on an issue they manage to come up with a new consultant's report that backs their point of view.

Notice that the consultants were paid $1.3 million for these studies. Similar amounts were paid for previous consultant reports that projected lower ridership. But when politicians and bureaucrats don't like the projections they keep spending money on more studies and POOF!,like magic, each report is more favorable to their position.

Only when they get the report they like do they agree those are the real figures and they stop paying for more studies.

1 posted on 03/10/2011 7:48:56 AM PST by Iron Munro
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To: Iron Munro

I call Barbara Streisand...........


2 posted on 03/10/2011 7:49:57 AM PST by day10 (Integrity has no need of rules.)
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To: Iron Munro

Turn the project into a private IPO and see how many investors will dig deep.


3 posted on 03/10/2011 7:50:27 AM PST by AU72
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To: AU72

Exactly.

Private investors line up when think something will be profitable. And stay away when they don’t.


4 posted on 03/10/2011 7:52:03 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Iron Munro

They just can not let it go. They should build one to the state mental institution in Chattahoochee. The Chattahoochee Choo Choo.


5 posted on 03/10/2011 7:52:16 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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High-speed trains that Gov. Rick Scott rejected would carry more passengers and operate at a greater financial surplus than projected

Horse Hockey!

6 posted on 03/10/2011 7:52:22 AM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash ?)
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High-speed trains that Gov. Rick Scott rejected would carry more passengers and operate at a greater financial surplus than projected in a 2009 federal application, data the state released Wednesday showed.

MORE GOVERNMENT LIES

7 posted on 03/10/2011 7:52:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Iron Munro

funny how all this demand exists. it’ll continue to exist until the system becomes operational, then it will evaporate, as it always does. the models the ‘experts’ use are faulty, adn their predictions will not come true.

has there ever been a ridership prediction for any mass transit proposal that was anyway near the actual figure?

expect even more rosier predictions until they give up entirely.


8 posted on 03/10/2011 7:53:56 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Iron Munro

If it will run a surplus every year like they claim, then some evil capitalist would have built it long ago.


9 posted on 03/10/2011 7:57:02 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Iron Munro

If at first you don’t succeed, inflate the numbers until you do.


10 posted on 03/10/2011 7:57:17 AM PST by Hootowl
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To: AU72

Private investors do Due Diligence. Government hacks do a study. This graphically demonstrates the difference between the two.

Usually these “analysis” ignore the capital construction costs.


11 posted on 03/10/2011 7:57:45 AM PST by DManA
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To: Iron Munro
Those ridership and revenue figures do not include the so-called "captive market" between Orlando International Airport, the Orange County Convention Center and Disney World, which would add another 4 million riders and $56.3 million in ticket revenue to 2016 operations.

That's the one possible area that a commuter rail service could make sense with the number of visitors/tourists in the area. But, if it's a great idea, private funding should be available.

12 posted on 03/10/2011 7:58:33 AM PST by DeFault User
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Yup, that is why AMTRAC is making so much money - - - -

Oh wait. We have to subsidise that disaster with tax dollars.


13 posted on 03/10/2011 7:58:46 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Don't let the SRM pick our candidates again.)
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"With today's gas prices, a trip from Orlando to Tampa and back would use about 12 gallons of gas – and cost $47.88," he said. "A roundtrip train ticket would cost as low as $30."

"As low as," in other words, "at a minumum."

And you need one roundtrip ticket per person. How many people are driving from Tampa to Orlando and back with only one person in the car? How much are train tickets for your wife and three kids on your way to the Magic Kingdom? How does that compare to the price of gas even at $5 per gallon?

14 posted on 03/10/2011 7:58:46 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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If they’re allowed to assume $7 a gallong gasoline, then I’m sure that will help their numbers, too.

Heck, why not assume the state stops issuing drivers licenses? That’ll increase ridership as well.


15 posted on 03/10/2011 7:58:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: camle
I lived in Destin Florida about 20 years ago. Some people wanted another bridge, however the county had no money. People built the bridge and charged a toll.

Its a huge money maker. Moral of the story if it can make money it will be built.

16 posted on 03/10/2011 8:00:04 AM PST by scooby321
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To: AU72

None. With a layout of $2.4 BILLION and an expected profit of $10.4 million, the rate of return is less than 0.5% annually. You would be a fool to sink that much money into it.


17 posted on 03/10/2011 8:00:09 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Iron Munro

If High speed rail would make a profit they would be people lining up to bid on the private to invest in a private company.


18 posted on 03/10/2011 8:03:17 AM PST by ThomasThomas (it said the speeling was OK)
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"Scott has relied on reports by the libertarian Reason Foundation, which said in January that Florida could face project overruns up to $3 billion, and a February paper by the conservative think tank Heritage Foundation that concluded Obama's high-speed rail program would provide "mediocre passenger rail service to an extremely small fraction of travelers.""

Well lets see... The Libertarian group must be crazy, the conservative group must be completely nuts, but the two "independent consulting firms" are rock solid evidence of it being a highly profitable decision with no risk at all....

19 posted on 03/10/2011 8:03:45 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: day10

Interesting because high-speed rail just about anyplace on the planet runs at a HUGE FREAKING LOSS and requires massive Government subsidies to stay afloat.

But this one particular train will be different. Go figure.


20 posted on 03/10/2011 8:05:09 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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