Posted on 03/06/2011 8:49:46 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Baloney. Jesus spent noticeable time with lowlifes, and it was so very important it is in your Bible. He gave the love first, and then asked them not to sin. And it seemed to work.
And most big gossipers do not feel that what they are doing is wrong. Otherwise no one would read or subscribe to people mag.
I have a point and you know it. Spend more time loving the sinners and finding a better direction for them. Any sinners.
Baloney. Jesus spent noticeable time with lowlifes, and it was so very important it is in your Bible. He gave the love first, and then asked them not to sin. And it seemed to work.
And most big gossipers do not feel that what they are doing is wrong. Otherwise no one would read or subscribe to people mag.
I have a point and you know it. Spend more time loving the sinners and finding a better direction for them. Any sinners.
God grants us free will. Therefore, you can do whatever you want whenever you want and take the consequences as they come. I’m not shoving my religion down your throat so I have no idea why you’re so hostile.
I couldn't agree more.
This idea that Christians should judge that someone needs Christs witness is WAY over the top.
Let'em go to hell.
Judging an unbeliever is totally different from witnessing to an unbeliever.
“Jaw drops.....
Wow. My compliments on your post. Excellent point. But why stop with just marriage?”
I see no reason to continue with anything. The point is Marriage is no longer save under the control of State, the Church must wrest back control of the Institution of Marriage.
I was simply suggesting how we might go about doing that. Utilizing the fact that the existing State recognized institution will continue to fall apart on its own.
That means we need to establish our own parallel system of Records.(To prevent polygamy, or potently divorce and remarriage)
But to do that the leaders of our religious institutions all the major faiths need to get together. This is necessary to both give the new parallel system legitimacy and wide spread significance.
But even if its just among Southern Baptist we can preserve true marriage for posterity.
Indeed Follow the money the gay’s know the hacks well.Take the money or be exposed.
“There is no “right to marry” in the Constitution.”
Nor is there a right to work. Marriage is a tribal, folk custom approved and co-opted first by religions and later by government. I can see allowing the various religions to set their own standards for marriages they endorse, but I can’t see our government holding the non-believers to what’s in the Torah or Koran.
To yourself, maybe; as you do not seem to listen to anyone else. I guess in your Bible (the "Rainbow Bible"?), Jesus just loved lowlifes. Maybe we should all just be lowlifes so Jesus will love us more. At no point are the sinners in the Bible not referred to as sinners. You and your gay buddies want homosexuals to not be considered as sinners. I've posted this several times, and you seem to be too busy erroneously congratulating yourself on "making a point" to even read it.
Jesus said even thinking about sin was the same as actually committing it. In other worlds, we all probably sin every waking moment. Funny how the rest of the world (including gossips) are sinners, but homosexuals are not (in your Bizarro world).
People like you are the reason homosexuals are taking over churches and schools. you are too worried about making the poor things "feel bad about themselves" that they eventually gain acceptance due to defining deviancy down. I would not be surprised to find out that your are either a homosexual yourself; or more likely, you have a homosexual relative and you have the mistaken belief that men on earth can rewrite the Bible and ignore the parts about homosexuality being a sin and about marriage being between one man and one woman so that you loved one can feel included. I am done posting to you as you do not listen.
Before witnessing you must pass judgement of his state of belief.
Determining whether or not someone is a believer before witnessing to him is not passing judgment on him. But even if it were, it's the minimum measure that God will use.
Matthew 7:1-2 (NIV) Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.You can argue the point all you want. God's Holy Word is clear. He alone has the authority to judge unbelievers. As believers, we are to hold each other accountable and live as examples to unbelievers. That doesn't mean we can't tell unbelievers that homosexuality is wrong. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight to preserve the sanctity of marriage. And it doesn't mean that we shouldn't judge believers who engage in homosexual relations. We should do all of those things.1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (NIV) I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."
“JUDGE NOT”.....
Based on the liberal interpretation of those words, nothing anyone does should be judged by anyone, lest they be judged.
Libs say you can’t judge anyone based on their interpretation of these words, but they’re the most judgemental bathturds you’ll ever run into. What they mean is, you can’t judge others’ [liberal] behavior by YOUR stated standards, but we can judge society by OUR standards.
A couple of funny things about this -
ask the question
“Would it be WRONG of me to judge someone else’s behavior?”
and the other point is that the standards are NOT “our” standards, they are biblical standards. “Decorated dust” such as us have no authority to set such standards.
Leftists can’t get out of (or sometimes even SEE) the inconsistencies of their arguments.
Really? Where is that in the Bible?
Matthew 5:27-28 (NIV) You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.Christ said that lustful desire of the heart is the same as actually sinning. Thinking about sinning is not sinning. That's called temptation.
Mark 1:12-13 (NIV) At once the Spirit sent him out into the wilderness, and he was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.Christ himself was tempted to sin. According to your definition, Christ sinned because he thought about it.
1 John 3:5 (NIV) But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.But we know that Christ lived a sinless life.
Wow, talk about someone who won’t listen - pot, kettle, and all that.
I am not pro-gay marriage or agenda.
My point was that Christians need to provide a loving alternative first, as your savior did, because living the out gay way in boystowns everywhere is the best gays have right now. SHOW THEM YOUR CHRISTIAN LOVE FIRST, rather than condemning them first because their sin is more icky to you. if Christians insist in hateful condemnation, something Jesus didn’t do to the harlots, then Boystown is a better choice for homosexuals. PROVIDE A BETTER WAY with love and outstretched arms first.
But somehow you do not listen to me. I am not a Christian - my Bible is not the “rainbow bible” - it is the Holy Torah. Mocking me and insulting me is not Christian. I am not congratulating myself. I am fighting for a decent, conservative, g-dly alternative to the libertine gay lifestyle for these innocent children of G-d like the rest of us. Can’t you understand that?
And how do you determine who to witness to? Surely you don’t witness to everyone, including those you meet in church each Sunday and the preacher?
Exact steps, in my view: 1. discrimination laws protecting sexual orientation pass in business and media capitals and college towns. These remake or wipe out conservative institutions.
2. Unregulated internet pornography swamps the moral sense of young people.
Now perhaps these steps are a reflection of historical tendencies, but if either one could have been halted I think we'd be in a different position today.
I like this guy’s formulation of the concept of “moral autonomy.” What the right has failed to do is to counter the left’s bleeding-heart sanctimonies like “homophobia” and “hate speech” with powerful sound bytes of our own, such as “reproductively challenged”, “arrested sexual development”, etc.
I was born an alcoholic. I never drink and have never drunk alcohol after one time in college; I am now in my 60s. This is how I have understood my duty to God. As for homosexuals who claim to be "born that way", there may have been compelling circumstances from early childhood onward, such as emotional or sexual abuse or growing up in a moral wasteland, but the roots of homosexual interests are not and have not been shown by science to be biologically driven.
someone with a speech impediment or Down Syndrome is not thought of as disgusting by the judgmental. Sure, they might be mocked. But the anti-homosexuals... are disgusted by what a gay person would do if he acted on his sexual interests.
That is because of the homosexual males' engagement with feces; as well as the widespread promiscuity and many other shocking or painful fetishistic practices of a large percentage of gays and lesbians, such as S&M -- not even to mention the higher percentage of child sexual abusers among homosexuals. These situations are inherently disgusting. It is no surprise that people find their choice of responses to their perceived condition more disgusting to most than a stutterer or a genetically-impaired person.
Before Stonewall, gays routinely referred to their behavior as "outrageous." That was their own perception of the emotions that drove their behavior. IMHO, a big part of assuming a gay "identity" for many of the afflicted is building a wall of rage or revenge against parents or society itself. For others, pushing every envelope of risk is a way to self-medicate from chronic depression or anxiety with adrenaline. Both choices are highly toxic to self and society.
G-d does not find some sins more disgusting than others.
There are many Christian scriptures indicating that the God of Abraham does indeed prioritize sins; but let me quote from the Hebrew scripture, Proverbs 6:16-19:
These six things doth the Lord hate:
yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look,
a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
an heart that devises wicked imaginations,
feet that are swift in running to mischief,
a false witness that speaks lies,
and he who sows discord among brethren.
Help them turn away from the pop culture’s encouragement toward a liberal, libertine lifestyle. Stop pulling away into gaytowns where everything goes. Help them become logical, decent conservatives.
There are many here who have tried, with family members or friends. Like any addiction or firmly held, brainwashed misbelief such as the ROP or "being gay", the afflicted person has to want to change. Only if that desire and a support system are present can a healing occur, just as with alcoholism or drug abuse. Family and friends cannot do anything for a person with no perceived need to relinquish the highly addictive misuse of the sex hormones in brain chemistry. Ditto the general tendency of gays and lesbians to challenge authority and convention, then throw emotional tantrums and spew hatred, abuse or emotional manipulation when they do not get their way.
BINGO.
Because without a careful wording of any universal marriage covenant among churches, synagogues and mosques that is lengthy and comparable to the development of the U.S. Constitution, the inevitable result may well be the criminalization of religious freedom, Christianity and Judaism in the U.S.
The better path at present is to fight against radical redefinition of marriage on the basis of telling the scientific truth about the negative effects of homosexual behaviors. And there is a lot of it available. Civil marriage statutes do protect the freedom of religion.
You are correct that the religious organizations need to take a very active hand in promoting marriage and educating their congregations about the need for it and the ways to create marital health. But among the mainstream established protestant denominations, there is a huge amount of infiltration and controversy, and many gay pastors as a result of the social rebellion of the 60s having afflicted the seminaries. The Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Lutherans have already given in to homosexual normalization, and the Methodists have been fighting about it for more than 20 years.
So what your proposal is likely to yield is a generous helping of more fighting and more stubborn rebellion and indoctrination of children by a large percentage of protestants; an increased effort by communists, socialists and feminists to destroy Catholicism; and more scorn, assertions of moral superiority and aggressive promotion of sharia law by muslims.
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