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Wis. Democrat: Talks over anti-union bill stall (Rats own sole blame for layoffs to come)
cbs ^ | 3/5/2011 | cbs

Posted on 03/05/2011 11:09:05 AM PST by tobyhill

A Wisconsin Democratic senator who fled the state to block a Republican Gov. Scott Walker's collective bargaining bill says negotiations on the measure have stalled.

Sen. Tim Cullen, a Janesville Democrat, tells The Associated Press that talks with Republicans broke down on Thursday.

He says it's difficult for either side to compromise: If the Democrats back down, their base won't forgive them, and Walker can't give up anything because he'd be seen as weak.

Plus, Assembly Republicans have already passed the bill with no changes, making things tougher for Walker.

Cullen said the lines of communications between the parties remain open, however.

Walker's spokesman didn't immediately return a message Saturday morning.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: collectivebargaining; democrats; fleas; fleebaggers; liberalfascism; liberals; timcullen; walker; walker4monarch2012; wi; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
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1 posted on 03/05/2011 11:09:08 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

the Wisconsin Democrats have and live by a new motto:

“Democrats opposed to Democracy”


2 posted on 03/05/2011 11:12:15 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: tobyhill

The Democrats can vote no. They just have to show up and vote. I don’t see how their base could not forgive them for voting no. The running-away-and-hiding is an extra-legislative act, meaning it was not part of their job description. So let them (even one of them) show up and vote no. That’s all it takes.


3 posted on 03/05/2011 11:13:02 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: OrangeHoof

Just for them to vote no saves the 1500 that are about to get terminated.


4 posted on 03/05/2011 11:14:32 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Well, what’s-her-name (the mother who puts the interest of her union donors over that of her young children and husband) is gonna have a baby in 3 months. Does she plan to have it in IL and bring it home to a hotel?


5 posted on 03/05/2011 11:15:25 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: elpadre

Democrats vs. America


6 posted on 03/05/2011 11:21:29 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: KansasGirl

I thought once gone 30 days their seats are considered vacant and a new election is held.

Am I wrong?


7 posted on 03/05/2011 11:21:41 AM PST by cableguymn
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To: tobyhill
How can they come to an agreement? The majority rule system of Democracy has been subverted and destroyed.

Obviously when the rules were made up nobody foresaw one party doing this. The simple reason quorums were created was to avoid a secret scheduling of voting unknown to the majority.

These rules have been undemocratically abused to allow the minority party complete control over voting process.

What would have happened if the Republicans in the House of Representatives had just taken leave during the past lame-duck session when the Democrats rammed so much through?

What is missing in the media is any critical opinion of just how undemocratic this is. Any 5th grader knows this.

8 posted on 03/05/2011 11:25:46 AM PST by Last Dakotan (Hunting - the ultimate in organic grocery shopping.)
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To: KansasGirl
Does she plan to have it in IL and bring it home to a hotel?

There is a bit more to it than that...

She'll give birth in IL, and then have someone post an ad in a WI newspaper announcing the WI birth. The couple will request from the WI health registry a COLB stating that the baby is a citizen of WI.

9 posted on 03/05/2011 11:27:31 AM PST by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: tobyhill

They WANT layoffs. They’d rather than than lose the MONEY.


10 posted on 03/05/2011 11:33:17 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: tobyhill
“The Democrat base will not forgive them” that's the unions. If any of the 14 break and come home their career is over as they'll be ousted in the next primary. Senator Plale (Dem.) from South Milwaukee strayed too far from liberal orthodoxy and was defeated in last September's primary.
11 posted on 03/05/2011 12:08:50 PM PST by Hamilcar_Barca
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To: cableguymn
Even if that was true, all the dems are from very liberal areas, and they would just be reelected or another dem would replace them. There will be recall elections anyway. Plus if all the seats are vacated they would not be able to make quorum.
12 posted on 03/05/2011 12:16:51 PM PST by mrsixpack36
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To: tobyhill; All
Need help please. Just found out my niece is doing a paper about public sector unions. A FReeper on one of these union related threads posted some info to use when discussing the merits of public unions, or lack thereof. Can anyone point me to the thread or to the FReeper. I have been searching, but have not found his/her info yet. Wish I had know about my nieces assignment a few days ago. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.
13 posted on 03/05/2011 12:18:09 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: tobyhill

The Rats here in WI also OWN the fact that while the 14 traitors are MIA, all over our state, liberal union rats are making contract deals with other state liberal union rats for FAT contracts to sign before the 14 return.

The 14 will not return until all the dirty secret deals are made and we are screwed once again by the teachers union and other state unions.

We are being robbed.

They are nullifying our election results from November. They are obstructing the budget fix. Going around it by having the 14 hide out until all the contracts are done and then will be exempt from the budget fix that will pass after they get back.

The 14 stay away, while the rest of the rats play with our tax money.

The Love of money is the root of all evil and they are showing that in spades.


14 posted on 03/05/2011 12:18:39 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (POTUS 45 Sarah Palin....Resistance is futile! Prepare to be liberated!)
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To: tobyhill

So, the UNIONS were fine with the teachers making all of the concessions.... EXCEPT for the collective bargaining rights that most benefit the UNION.

And this;
“Madison, Wisconsin mayor, Dave Ciesliewicz was attempting to get new union contracts ratified before the vote on Governor Scott Walker’s budget repair was voted on by the Senate”

” E-mails obtained by the FOX6 Investigators show that the mayor enlisted the help of State Senator Mark Miller. They both tried to convince the Secretary of State to hold up the bill by taking the maximum 10 days allowed by law before publishing the bill.

They were trying to buy some time so they could ratify new contracts to protect workers from benefit cuts. Citizens for Responsible Government Rep. Chris Kliesmet says, “This suggests, and this is a harsh word, collusion. There is collusion between some politicians and public sector employee unions. Period.”

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2011/03/03/madison-wisconsin-mayor-stalls-awol-dems-awaiting-new-union-contracts/


15 posted on 03/05/2011 12:22:39 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: OrangeHoof

They won’t come home and vote anything, until all the state union contracts , thousands of them, are made. Those contracts will be legal and not subject to the budget fix they won’t vote on now.

All over our state, there are liberals “negotiating” with liberals to screw the taxpayer.

From teachers to other state workers, they’re all colluding to get fat contracts hammered out, and then the 14 will come back when their vote doesn’t matter because new contracts will be binding and the bill won’t matter.

They are staying away until every liberal tax leech gets another fat contract, some as long as three years, subverting the election results by going around it by hiding in Illinois.

These are evil abortion loving demons we are dealing with.

They will do anything for money. Our money.


16 posted on 03/05/2011 12:24:39 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (POTUS 45 Sarah Palin....Resistance is futile! Prepare to be liberated!)
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To: tobyhill

Look, folks, face it!!! Public service unions are going down, period. Wisconsin is only the beginning. I do, however, understand the terrified fear in the hearts of the Democrat senator runaways in Wisconsin. Well, folks, when you lie in bed with the likes of Andy Stern, Richard Trumpka and James Hoffa, etc. and their union goons, you have made your bed with the devil!!! And...the Devil will come after his due, if you do not march to his tune!!! The Democrat fools should of thought of this before entering the world of evil paybacks of one kind or another. And.....Senators do not think you don’t have company. POTUS Obama is in the cooker with you!!! These union goons own him more then you!!!


17 posted on 03/05/2011 12:28:00 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: tobyhill
Republican Gov. Scott Walker's collective bargaining bill

CBS News is now calling it "Republican Gov. Scott Walker's collective bargaining bill'? I thought is was the Budget Repair bill.

18 posted on 03/05/2011 12:45:35 PM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: elpadre

The Democratic Party: the most ironically named political party in the world.


19 posted on 03/05/2011 12:46:10 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Last Dakotan
What would have happened if the Republicans in the House of Representatives had just taken leave during the past lame-duck session when the Democrats rammed so much through?

Nothing would have changed, because the U.S. Constitution only has a majority quorum rule (rather than Wisconsin's three-fifths quorum rule for budget items).

20 posted on 03/05/2011 12:49:35 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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