This. ^^
The entire issue is giant loser and a waste of time. In fact, I suspect Obama and the Democrats probably love that some people on the right insist on focusing on it.
I like calling Obama "the Kenyan" for fun, but this "birther" stuff really isn't something any serious minded person should be spending time on. Makes us look silly. The courts are NEVER going to remove Obama, he will have to be defeated in 2012 or he will serve out a full 8 years.
This is necessary to prevent this kind of uncertainty from ever happening again.
"The entire issue Obama is giant loser and a waste of time. In fact, I suspect Obama and Democrats probably love that some people on the right insist on focusing on it. - are BS liars, and we can take him on many issues at once as well as this one. "
Post 46 applies to you too.
Yeah, who cares about that "rule of law" thingy anyway when manipulating public opinion is all that matters? Sheesh.
The birth certificate is a red herring. Barack Obama is admittedly and incontrovertibly not a Natural Born Citizen per Constitutional metrics because his father was a British Subject.
But who cares what the law says when what we want to to mean, today, is all that matters? If we don't like it, we can opine some other way. After all, putting the media in charge of the republic and all private property is what we want... isn't it?
I unloaded at the site where this article was posted but I’ll post it here also because I think it addresses what you’re saying about the issue being a loser and a waste of time. Suffice it to say that I strongly disagree. Here’s what I posted, to confront the inaccuracies being claimed there and the many people saying they were “so embarrassed” by the Georgia bill:
Georgians, if you’re worried about being embarrassed, I’d say you should worry about the embarrassment that comes from the ignorance so many of you are showing here.
John McCain was the first 2008 candidate to have his eligibility challenged in court. Apparently we’ve got people who hate white American vets, if the reasoning that eligibility is all about race holds water (which it obviously doesn’t). The courts denied standing - said it was nobody’s business whether he was or wasn’t eligible. We the peons don’t count - nice message, huh? I despised that ruling just as I despise the rulings that it’s nobody’s business whether Obama is eligible.
The Hawaii DOH has confirmed that nobody from the DNC ever even ASKED to see Obama’s documentation or verify his facts of birth. They don’t even know how old the guy is. Pelosi swore an oath that Obama was Constitutionally eligible - even after knowing that Obama’s own campaign manager in Hawaii refused to swear to the same thing. The Hawaii Democratic Party was in such a hurry to take out the Constitutional eligibility language from their standard Certification of Nomination that they took out one whole physical line of text, including the only thing they were required by law to have on that piece of paper - a statement that Obama is the candidate specifically of the Hawaii Democratic Party. Brian Schatz, Obama’s HI campaign manager, was the chair of the HDP. The usual lawyer for the HDP was William H Gilardy, who may have advised them to take out the Constitutional language because he was the attorney for Obama’s mother in her divorce from Lolo Soetoro and may have seen the legally valid (probably Kenyan) BC that Obama had been using his entire life. We can’t know who took out that language, when, or why because the HDP refuses to answer questions.
And we pretty much know that Obama was NOT using a Hawaii BC his entire life because 3 Hawaii officials have said they don’t have anything legally valid for Obama in Hawaii. Neil Abercrombie, Janice Okubo, and Tim Adams. Fukino has never stated that they have a LEGALLY VALID birth certificate, and in official, legal responses to UIPA (HI’s FOIA law) requests, Janice Okubo revealed that Obama paid a fee to amend his BC in 2006 - which renders the BC legally invalid. That also revealed that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery, since anything the HDOH truly printed out for him on June 6, 2007 would have to note the 2006 amendment, but neither the Factcheck COLB nor the COLB on Obama’s own campaign website noted that amendment. In addition, Okubo revealed that the “date filed” and certificate number on the FActcheck COLB are incompatible. Okubo also stated that state law forbids her saying outright whether a posted COLB is a forgery even if she KNOWS it to be a forgery.
So ALL we have to support Obama’s claims of a Hawaii birth is what has already been indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways by the HDOH as a forged COLB. Neil Abercrombie, Obama’s friend, has said there is no proof of a Hawaii birth and that would cause big problems for Obama in a re-election.
But not if people are too stupid to require proof. And that’s what I hear some Georgians saying, who would be so “embarrassed” by this law. There’s a saying, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.” I hear a lot of Georgia folks being mighty embarrassed by their intelligent leaders who have no desire to be a gullible back-woods hick once again. You worry a lot about stereotypes and appearances, those of you who say you’re so embarrassed, but the real shame should be if you put your own misplaced vanity before the United States Constitution. Anybody with a lick of sense would find nothing embarrassing in the requirement that every candidate prove their eligibility before assuming the position of the most powerful leader in the world. If you’re embarrassed by that kind of government accountability I suggest you move to Libya, Iran, Venezuela, or Cuba - where you wouldn’t have to be so “embarrassed” by the little people actually holding their leaders legally accountable to the law.
And that is what this is really about - a means for average Joe Blows to hold the government accountable - which is the first step BEFORE we’ll ever get the government to do anything real and effective about the other massive problems we’ve got. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If the government critters CAN get away wth screwing us, they will. So the first step is to find a way to hold them accountable. THEN AND ONLY THEN will they even care what problems the little people face.
Leo Donofrio sued the NJ Secretary of State for not obeying the law that required her to verify Presidential eligibility before placing names on their ballot. She placed on the ballot the name of Roger Calero - a non-citizen green card holder born in Nicaragua. This guy has absolutely no claim to ANY kind of US citizenship, much less “natural born” citizenship. Yet the SOS put him on the ballot. You can’t tell me that she “verified” his eligibility. There would have been no documents she could possibly have seen that would have verified his eligibility. She broke the law, plain and simple. But when Donofrio sued her to have the law actually obeyed (he contested the eligibility of all the candidates she placed on the ballot - Calero, Obama, and McCain), the courts said the rule of law is nobody’s business. That, right there, tells you all you need to know about what is really going on here.
How can the DOJ just decide it won’t prosecute any crimes by minorities? That’s lawlessness. That’s reality in Obama’s DOJ. How can the DOJ sue a state to keep them from protecting their own border? How can an administration defy subpoenas issued by the House Ethics Committee? How can government agencies just blow off FOIA requests for 2 years on public records that they could find in 5 minutes? How can a POTUS all of a sudden declare that a law is unconstitutional and say the DOJ won’t defend that law any more? How can an administration totally ignore the orders of judges in healthcare and oil drilling cases? How can the ruling party in Congress change the locks on doors so that the other party can’t attend meetings? How can government take the assets belonging to the secured investors in a bankruptcy case and give it straight-out to the unions instead?
All that stuff is lawlessness. It is the new reality. Many of us have watched in horror as all pretense of the rule of law being followed have gradually fallen off like a mask, revealing what our government has really been up to. Folks, we are not going to get ANYTHING fixed until this lawlessness stops - until the political leaders are FORCED to obey the law.
There is no security clearance for elected officials. None. The election IS the security clearance. At this point we literally don’t even know the name to look under to try to find records on the guy in the White House. The only official documents the general public has actually been able to see are an Indonesian school registration form that lists him Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and a reference where he was taken off the passport of his mother, with a notation of “Soebarkah” seeming to indicate that his name was changed. Obama signed a statement for the IL Bar Association saying he had never held any other names.
And we sure as heck haven’t gotten access to any records under the name Barack Hussein Obama II.
Whoever it was that said Obama would be a “natural born citizen” even if he was born outside the US because his mother was a US citizen - get your facts straight. Stanley Ann Dunham - if she is his mother and if the story of when the birth occurred is correct, which is not a given because just about every “fact” mentioned about SAD and Barack Obama in “Dreams of My Fathers” has been documented as false - was 18 when she gave birth to Obama, and the law at that time required at least one parent who was 19 in order to pass on US citizenship to a child born outside the country. If you look on the Passport Office website they will tell you what the requirements are for US citizenship, and for 1961 you will see that at least one parent had to be a US citizen at least 19 years old. IOW, if Obama was born outside the US he is not even a US citizen right now, unless he completed the naturalization process at some point.
Obama’s passport file has been breached 3 times, and none of the investigations have apparently concerned themselves over whether anything in the record was altered - although sources close to the investigation have said that the purpose of the breaches was to sanitize the record. Strange that the IG didn’t much care whether the records have any genuineness left, huh? The State Department simply said they cannot guarantee that the records are still accurate. Huh? Who cares whether the records were altered? Are we living in Zimbabwe, or what? At the same time we know that the social security number Obama has been using the most (not the couple dozen other SSN’s he’s been using) was issued from Connecticut - a state he’s never lived or worked in. And the selective service registration form that the SSA disclosed has an automatic date stamp of 2008, listed as ‘08 which the SSA tried to pass off as if it was ‘80.
It’s embarrassing that these people think we are that stupid, that we don’t know the difference between ‘08 and ‘80.
There’s a line in the movie “Luther” where the German King has been given a little statue as a gift by the Pope, along with the “request” that Luther be delivered to Rome to be tried. After the king refuses to send Luther and the Pope’s representative walks out of the room, the king says with tears in his eyes, “They thought they could buy me for so little.”
Folks, a lawless government thinks they can buy you for so little. We will offer them the keys to the kingdom if they will only pinkie-swear that they are eligible, even when there are signs of forgery sticking out all over the place and genuine records are under lock and key.
Contrary to everything the Hawaii folks are saying publicly, there are 3 reasons that Hawaii law REQUIRES all of Obama’s birth records to be public at this point:
1) If there is a “scintilla of public interest” it outweighs privacy rights.
2) If the registrant has already published the information, the record having that information becomes a public record.
3) If a HI government official makes a public statement about a record that record and anything else relied upon to make the statement is REQUIRED to be disclosed upon request.
In addition, HDOH Administrative Rules allow (and UIPA thus requires) that non-certified copies of abbreviated BC’s (COLB’s) be disclosed to anybody who asks for it.
Just like the HDOH LIED when it claimed they cannot issue certified copies of long-form birth certificates - as shown by a video at http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/some-tropical-truth/ in which a woman at the HDOH office orders a certified long-form and is told she will get it in 2 weeks - Hawaii officials have been lying when they say they CAN’T disclose Obama’s records because of the laws. The laws actually REQUIRE that they disclose the records.
If Hawaii can’t disclose records - as officials there say - it is ONLY because they don’t have any.
And I can tell you for a fact that the Ombudsman’s Office has openly acknowledged in a letter to me that the HDOH was lying when they said they COULD NOT disclose a non-certified COLB, but the Ombudsman - the great protector of government integrity and ethics - will not even tell the HDOH to stop lying about what the law says.
We are all being played for fools. Absolute fools. If we let them continue in this way then we are fools and we deserve everything we get. Fool me twice, shame on me.
You couldn't be more right, yes you look totally silly and your posts are proof hereof!!!