Posted on 03/01/2011 11:11:45 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
State Rep. Mark Hatfield, R-Waycross, just handed me a copy of his new bill, HB 401, which would require President Barack Obama to provide certified proof of his birth to the Georgia secretary of state in order to appear on next year’s presidential primary and general election ballots.
The bill has the signatures of 94 members of the 180-member House, including that of one Democrat, Glenn Baker of Jonesboro.
The measure will get its first hearing on Wednesday. Read the bill here.
If you’re a member of the Georgia Ports Authority or Georgia Chamber of Commerce, still attempting to persuade the White House to add a few zeros to that appropriation for the dredging of the Port of Savannah, this is your cue to cut loose an animal howl of frustration.
At minimum, the bill will make for some interesting chatter when the national press comes down to hear Newt Gingrich’s announcement that he’s exploring a GOP run for president.
Hatfield attempted similar legislation last year. From my AJC colleague April Hunt:
“I think the issue with our sitting president has been left unresolved for a significant length of time that people have concerns,” Hatfield said. “But this is not just about our current president. It’s about enforcing the constitutional provisions for anyone who seeks the office of presidency.”
Hatfield’s bill would require certified copies of “the candidate’s first original long-form birth certificate.” Documentation as provided by Hawaii, which has insisted time and time again that Obama was born there, “would not suffice,” Hatfield said.....
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.ajc.com ...
Too funny! Good thing I wasn’t drinking when I saw the pic and read the caption—the keyboard would be shot!
RS, I can’t tell you what to do. Personally, though, I wouldn’t waste any more time with the SP. Him talking about critical thinking is like Obama talking about fiscal restraint. Nobody needs to listen: neither of them have anything of value of say, but both of them imagine they are whiz bangs. I’d just let it go. You have better, more valuable things to do...such as arranging your sock drawer. ;)
Did you imagine the tears were for his suffering Grandmother..the bastards were thrilled to be rid of her..
Can’t disagree with you there. Obama the Malignant Narcissist probably saw her as a potential thread. She could have contradicted much of the mythos contained in the Ayers-written fantasy novel. I’m sure Obama was quite happy to be rid of her; sad but true.
At this point, I don’t care how it is done. It just needs to be done.
The birth certificate thing could bring down the Democratic party and RHINOs. It could also cause a civil war, though that is becoming more and more less likely as the disgust and distrust of Obama builds daily.
In the end, the only ones damaged by the BC issue are RHINOs and Democrat/Socialist/Progressively Communist/Unionist.
Not true. It accentuates Obama and the Democrats dishonesty and lack of "transparency". It hurts them in all states and sets the Republican candidate up for a 45+ state win.
That state will face an onslaught from the media and Obama’s regime. They need to be quickly joined by other states or face an endless media and UNION attack.
I am a Georgia native and I hope others will join us, but if not, then I will be proud for my state to stand even alone, for the Constitution that we once fought to break from.
the upshot from this link is that ‘what was once verified as a returned SS#’ now is returned as a ‘fail’? Thus suggesting that someone has tampered with the information???
Apparently, GA provided a solution to a legally void original BC ...
38 ... “If the foregoing described certified exact copy of the
39 candidate’s first original long-form birth certificate is not attached and the candidate’s
40 affidavit indicates that a first original long-form birth certificate for the candidate does
41 not exist, the candidate shall attach certified exact copies of other original
42 documentation, including, but not limited to, the candidate’s birth records, adoption
43 records, baptism records, Social Security records, medical records, school and college
44 records, military records, and passport records showing, either individually or
45 collectively, that the candidate meets the natural born citizenship, age, and residency
46 requirements prescribed by Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution. The
47 candidate shall not attach certified or other copies of nonoriginal documents or records;”
ping to whole thread and GA’s innovations...sven found it...
thanks for the ping, that about covers EVERYTHING!
Looks like BO won’t be getting on Georgia’s ballot!
(I pray earnestly he’ll never get on California’s ballot.)
Some of the bills appear to be asking for a candidate to prove he is a “Citizen,” not the criterion for president. If any state has the courage to quote the definition of natural born Citizen, “Born on the soil of citizen parents,” they will earn our respect. Some do ask for long form birth certificates, but Obama can simply continue to ignore the request, since he has already told us he was not born a natural born Citizen. He was born a natural born subject of the British Commonwealth, to a father who never was a citizen, and never held allegiance to the U.S. - more likely to Kenya or the USSR, who funded his cousin Odinga's KGB training, and who named his son "Fidel." He said "I am a native born citizen of the U.S." That is the Title 8 definition of a 14th Amendment citizen, not a natural born citizen. Hidden behind his bold (audacious) declaration is, "Just try to declare me ineligible and see the blood baths in the cities." (James Carvill actually issued that warning before the election)
Many will have forgotten that the current Governor of Georgia, Nathan Deal, is governor because he did ask the White House for validation of Obama’s eligibility in 2009. They responded by examining Deal’s old tax returns, finding a questionable deduction allowed in previous years, and bringing ethics charges. Understanding the reality that Eric Holder would protect “His people” regardless of the laws at issue, and that Obama/Holder could assign a Patrick Fitzgerald enforcer to chase Deal for years, destroying his career and his financial viability, Nathan resigned. I'll bet he gets the bill right.
T Too many of the statements look like Arizona's, which is fraudulent, and amazingly, defines natural born Citizens as having at least one citizen parent, contradicting dozens of citations, never doubted in Supreme Court cases.
Our legislators and judges are afraid to truthfully discuss the facts clearly enunciated so many times, such as by Chief Justice Morrison Waite in Minor v. Happersett, 1874:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it wasnever doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”Someone whose regime can order us to buy government healthcare, order us not to produce our own energy so that we depend upon our enemies, will not hesititate to ignore a constitutional provision which he knows very well few people, and few lawyers, have every read carefully. Sadly, every Senator did know that he was ineligible when they all signed Pat Leahy's Senate Resolution 511 in April 2008 in which you will find the dialog, the basis for declaring John McCain, after 3 law suites and 5 or 6 hearings, eligible:
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy."
They will all claim to have been protecting the public, all the while they are using their power to steal our productivity.
I unloaded at the site where this article was posted but I’ll post it here also because I think it addresses what you’re saying about the issue being a loser and a waste of time. Suffice it to say that I strongly disagree. Here’s what I posted, to confront the inaccuracies being claimed there and the many people saying they were “so embarrassed” by the Georgia bill:
Georgians, if you’re worried about being embarrassed, I’d say you should worry about the embarrassment that comes from the ignorance so many of you are showing here.
John McCain was the first 2008 candidate to have his eligibility challenged in court. Apparently we’ve got people who hate white American vets, if the reasoning that eligibility is all about race holds water (which it obviously doesn’t). The courts denied standing - said it was nobody’s business whether he was or wasn’t eligible. We the peons don’t count - nice message, huh? I despised that ruling just as I despise the rulings that it’s nobody’s business whether Obama is eligible.
The Hawaii DOH has confirmed that nobody from the DNC ever even ASKED to see Obama’s documentation or verify his facts of birth. They don’t even know how old the guy is. Pelosi swore an oath that Obama was Constitutionally eligible - even after knowing that Obama’s own campaign manager in Hawaii refused to swear to the same thing. The Hawaii Democratic Party was in such a hurry to take out the Constitutional eligibility language from their standard Certification of Nomination that they took out one whole physical line of text, including the only thing they were required by law to have on that piece of paper - a statement that Obama is the candidate specifically of the Hawaii Democratic Party. Brian Schatz, Obama’s HI campaign manager, was the chair of the HDP. The usual lawyer for the HDP was William H Gilardy, who may have advised them to take out the Constitutional language because he was the attorney for Obama’s mother in her divorce from Lolo Soetoro and may have seen the legally valid (probably Kenyan) BC that Obama had been using his entire life. We can’t know who took out that language, when, or why because the HDP refuses to answer questions.
And we pretty much know that Obama was NOT using a Hawaii BC his entire life because 3 Hawaii officials have said they don’t have anything legally valid for Obama in Hawaii. Neil Abercrombie, Janice Okubo, and Tim Adams. Fukino has never stated that they have a LEGALLY VALID birth certificate, and in official, legal responses to UIPA (HI’s FOIA law) requests, Janice Okubo revealed that Obama paid a fee to amend his BC in 2006 - which renders the BC legally invalid. That also revealed that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery, since anything the HDOH truly printed out for him on June 6, 2007 would have to note the 2006 amendment, but neither the Factcheck COLB nor the COLB on Obama’s own campaign website noted that amendment. In addition, Okubo revealed that the “date filed” and certificate number on the FActcheck COLB are incompatible. Okubo also stated that state law forbids her saying outright whether a posted COLB is a forgery even if she KNOWS it to be a forgery.
So ALL we have to support Obama’s claims of a Hawaii birth is what has already been indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways by the HDOH as a forged COLB. Neil Abercrombie, Obama’s friend, has said there is no proof of a Hawaii birth and that would cause big problems for Obama in a re-election.
But not if people are too stupid to require proof. And that’s what I hear some Georgians saying, who would be so “embarrassed” by this law. There’s a saying, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.” I hear a lot of Georgia folks being mighty embarrassed by their intelligent leaders who have no desire to be a gullible back-woods hick once again. You worry a lot about stereotypes and appearances, those of you who say you’re so embarrassed, but the real shame should be if you put your own misplaced vanity before the United States Constitution. Anybody with a lick of sense would find nothing embarrassing in the requirement that every candidate prove their eligibility before assuming the position of the most powerful leader in the world. If you’re embarrassed by that kind of government accountability I suggest you move to Libya, Iran, Venezuela, or Cuba - where you wouldn’t have to be so “embarrassed” by the little people actually holding their leaders legally accountable to the law.
And that is what this is really about - a means for average Joe Blows to hold the government accountable - which is the first step BEFORE we’ll ever get the government to do anything real and effective about the other massive problems we’ve got. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If the government critters CAN get away wth screwing us, they will. So the first step is to find a way to hold them accountable. THEN AND ONLY THEN will they even care what problems the little people face.
Leo Donofrio sued the NJ Secretary of State for not obeying the law that required her to verify Presidential eligibility before placing names on their ballot. She placed on the ballot the name of Roger Calero - a non-citizen green card holder born in Nicaragua. This guy has absolutely no claim to ANY kind of US citizenship, much less “natural born” citizenship. Yet the SOS put him on the ballot. You can’t tell me that she “verified” his eligibility. There would have been no documents she could possibly have seen that would have verified his eligibility. She broke the law, plain and simple. But when Donofrio sued her to have the law actually obeyed (he contested the eligibility of all the candidates she placed on the ballot - Calero, Obama, and McCain), the courts said the rule of law is nobody’s business. That, right there, tells you all you need to know about what is really going on here.
How can the DOJ just decide it won’t prosecute any crimes by minorities? That’s lawlessness. That’s reality in Obama’s DOJ. How can the DOJ sue a state to keep them from protecting their own border? How can an administration defy subpoenas issued by the House Ethics Committee? How can government agencies just blow off FOIA requests for 2 years on public records that they could find in 5 minutes? How can a POTUS all of a sudden declare that a law is unconstitutional and say the DOJ won’t defend that law any more? How can an administration totally ignore the orders of judges in healthcare and oil drilling cases? How can the ruling party in Congress change the locks on doors so that the other party can’t attend meetings? How can government take the assets belonging to the secured investors in a bankruptcy case and give it straight-out to the unions instead?
All that stuff is lawlessness. It is the new reality. Many of us have watched in horror as all pretense of the rule of law being followed have gradually fallen off like a mask, revealing what our government has really been up to. Folks, we are not going to get ANYTHING fixed until this lawlessness stops - until the political leaders are FORCED to obey the law.
There is no security clearance for elected officials. None. The election IS the security clearance. At this point we literally don’t even know the name to look under to try to find records on the guy in the White House. The only official documents the general public has actually been able to see are an Indonesian school registration form that lists him Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and a reference where he was taken off the passport of his mother, with a notation of “Soebarkah” seeming to indicate that his name was changed. Obama signed a statement for the IL Bar Association saying he had never held any other names.
And we sure as heck haven’t gotten access to any records under the name Barack Hussein Obama II.
Whoever it was that said Obama would be a “natural born citizen” even if he was born outside the US because his mother was a US citizen - get your facts straight. Stanley Ann Dunham - if she is his mother and if the story of when the birth occurred is correct, which is not a given because just about every “fact” mentioned about SAD and Barack Obama in “Dreams of My Fathers” has been documented as false - was 18 when she gave birth to Obama, and the law at that time required at least one parent who was 19 in order to pass on US citizenship to a child born outside the country. If you look on the Passport Office website they will tell you what the requirements are for US citizenship, and for 1961 you will see that at least one parent had to be a US citizen at least 19 years old. IOW, if Obama was born outside the US he is not even a US citizen right now, unless he completed the naturalization process at some point.
Obama’s passport file has been breached 3 times, and none of the investigations have apparently concerned themselves over whether anything in the record was altered - although sources close to the investigation have said that the purpose of the breaches was to sanitize the record. Strange that the IG didn’t much care whether the records have any genuineness left, huh? The State Department simply said they cannot guarantee that the records are still accurate. Huh? Who cares whether the records were altered? Are we living in Zimbabwe, or what? At the same time we know that the social security number Obama has been using the most (not the couple dozen other SSN’s he’s been using) was issued from Connecticut - a state he’s never lived or worked in. And the selective service registration form that the SSA disclosed has an automatic date stamp of 2008, listed as ‘08 which the SSA tried to pass off as if it was ‘80.
It’s embarrassing that these people think we are that stupid, that we don’t know the difference between ‘08 and ‘80.
There’s a line in the movie “Luther” where the German King has been given a little statue as a gift by the Pope, along with the “request” that Luther be delivered to Rome to be tried. After the king refuses to send Luther and the Pope’s representative walks out of the room, the king says with tears in his eyes, “They thought they could buy me for so little.”
Folks, a lawless government thinks they can buy you for so little. We will offer them the keys to the kingdom if they will only pinkie-swear that they are eligible, even when there are signs of forgery sticking out all over the place and genuine records are under lock and key.
Contrary to everything the Hawaii folks are saying publicly, there are 3 reasons that Hawaii law REQUIRES all of Obama’s birth records to be public at this point:
1) If there is a “scintilla of public interest” it outweighs privacy rights.
2) If the registrant has already published the information, the record having that information becomes a public record.
3) If a HI government official makes a public statement about a record that record and anything else relied upon to make the statement is REQUIRED to be disclosed upon request.
In addition, HDOH Administrative Rules allow (and UIPA thus requires) that non-certified copies of abbreviated BC’s (COLB’s) be disclosed to anybody who asks for it.
Just like the HDOH LIED when it claimed they cannot issue certified copies of long-form birth certificates - as shown by a video at http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/some-tropical-truth/ in which a woman at the HDOH office orders a certified long-form and is told she will get it in 2 weeks - Hawaii officials have been lying when they say they CAN’T disclose Obama’s records because of the laws. The laws actually REQUIRE that they disclose the records.
If Hawaii can’t disclose records - as officials there say - it is ONLY because they don’t have any.
And I can tell you for a fact that the Ombudsman’s Office has openly acknowledged in a letter to me that the HDOH was lying when they said they COULD NOT disclose a non-certified COLB, but the Ombudsman - the great protector of government integrity and ethics - will not even tell the HDOH to stop lying about what the law says.
We are all being played for fools. Absolute fools. If we let them continue in this way then we are fools and we deserve everything we get. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Thanks for that link. That’s amazing. We’ve got so much evidence of fraud it is criminal negligence for this to not be legally investigated.
If somebody is messing with the SSN database then it’s all the more reason to investigate. The truth of the matter is that government integrity is so compromised that we have no idea what is true or not true, regardless of what any government entity has told us, because they’ve already been documented with so much records manipulation, deception, lying, and law-breaking.
The thing that is unconscionable is for there not to have been a legal investigation. Holder’s not gonna do it because he is only an enforcer of law for whites, just like Obama is only POTUS for union members.
But you would think there would be one state AG who would do something.
The national media’s complicit cover-up DEFINITELY needs to be exposed. If this thing breaks open a LOT of people are going to be exposed, which is probably why nobody will break it open. Except the people who have innocently been asking the questions all along.
I sometimes still wonder if he really even is a black man.
More Proof Obama Ain’t Black
http://atlahmedianetwork.org/?p=12968
DNC is not subject to FOIA requests and is is, they cannot get Obama’s records either without his permission.
Nebraska election law only requires a Certification of Nomination from the DNC and RNC to get a candidate on the ballot - yet the political parties are not government entities and so they have no power to get documentation without the candidate’s consent.
Without seeing the records they perjure themselves if they swear someone is Constitutionally eligible. We know that is what Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travers Germond did - but how are we the peons ever supposed to hold them accountable for breaking the law?
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