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1 posted on 02/24/2011 9:27:46 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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Primary error: thinking of piracy as Law Enforcement problem rather than a military problem. Everything else devoloved from there, IMO.


2 posted on 02/24/2011 9:30:42 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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if we had a sensible administration we’d bring back keel hauling and hanging. Not to mention having a few thousand UAVs looking for pirates.


3 posted on 02/24/2011 9:31:04 AM PST by utherdoul
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Earth to FBI: You are not dealing with normal criminals. They are wackos with a terrorist frame of mind.


4 posted on 02/24/2011 9:32:25 AM PST by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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These murders are the “fault” of only one group of people: the pirates.

Anybody, no matter who, can make mistakes when negotiating with kidnappers, because you never know what is going through their crazy minds. The only “mistake” I think was made was to treat this like a kidnapping, just a normal criminal act, and not like piracy on the high seas, which is something that requires a military response and not a law-enforcement response (other than good old military justice solution of a speedy trial and swift execution).

That said, the death of these hostages was not the fault of the FBI, the Navy, or anybody but the pirates.


5 posted on 02/24/2011 9:33:00 AM PST by livius
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All pirates should be shot at sea. PERIOD!


6 posted on 02/24/2011 9:34:14 AM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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Someone needs to explain to the world why this has been permitted to go on for going on a decade? How difficult would it be to set up decoys and encounters with 1000 pirates and then take them out?


7 posted on 02/24/2011 9:36:40 AM PST by apoliticalone (Conservatism is about the USA, not the international corporations and bankers)
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Great, we have Deputy Barney Fife in charge of negotiating with real pirates as if they were relatives of Ernest T. Bass. I think I just outed my age:<


8 posted on 02/24/2011 9:37:22 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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The Gray Lady needs to stop looking for people to blame. Even my 4 year old understands that pirates are bad people and that is why they walk the plank.

The mistakes, if any, were not by the hostage negotiators who were dealing with a bunch of pot smoking paranoid heavily armed leaderless hooligans. Rather the mistake was the Obama administration’s failure to proactively flush out the pirates from their ports and send them to Allah.

We have “no fly” zones, it should not be too difficult to create a “no boating zone.” You enter the zone, you will die.


13 posted on 02/24/2011 9:41:24 AM PST by KingofZion
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I think this kind of retrograde navel-gazing is frequently useless except to establish where the blame will be placed.


15 posted on 02/24/2011 9:43:14 AM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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One fletcher class destroyer from WW II,,, complete with an authentic naval officer,, that’s all we need. Fbi,,, captains who worry about diversity and sensitivity training.
Not to mention,,, if their home port has 30 hostage ships, why is it mit closed too anything, including fishing boats?


16 posted on 02/24/2011 9:44:55 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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FBI ignorance on full display, this surpasses the stupid of Waco and ruby ridge.


17 posted on 02/24/2011 9:46:25 AM PST by org.whodat
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I did not know the FBI is now an international police force. Nice to know /sarc Clinton and his fools started a lot of this, IMO, but Obama takes everything to a whole new level. We should just say that we will kill pirates no matter what, even if the hostages die. Then, what would be the point of kidnapping them?


22 posted on 02/24/2011 9:57:32 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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The New York Times reports

That says it all, typical anti-U.S. bias from the press. Those poor little pirates./sarcasm

27 posted on 02/24/2011 10:01:22 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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I feel the Israeli’s deal withhostage situations in the proper way.

The hostages are considered dead when captured and they go in to take out the hostage takers.

That is the only way to deal with them.

Pay them and you will see them again.

Wherever these captured ships they have now are docked ,an International team should go and release the ships and what is left of the hostage’s and destroy anything and everything in their way or that aids the hostage takers.


43 posted on 02/24/2011 10:25:24 AM PST by Venturer
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The FBI agent involved was a hostage negotiator from a special team based at Quantico, Va., who was experienced in both domestic and international hostage crises, a law enforcement official told the Times Wednesday.

The trouble comes from Obama's policy of treating international piracy as a law enforcement problem rather than a naval problem, with ALL that THAT implies.

49 posted on 02/24/2011 10:31:46 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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Why, on God’s Earth, would FBI agents be involved with pirates in foreign waters?
This is a job strictly for the Navy.


65 posted on 02/24/2011 12:08:30 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Obama did not learn incompetence; he was born to it.)
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Is not the simplest most cost effective solution to blockade the ports that the pirates operate from and arrest or sink any boats that cross a predetermined area. Deny the access to targets, simple and effective.


84 posted on 02/25/2011 5:44:00 PM PST by thile44 (Simplicity is too complex.)
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