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Detroit Symphony cancels season as musicians strike
New York Timew ^ | February 20, 2011 | NYT

Posted on 02/20/2011 12:14:42 PM PST by HIDEK6

The management of the debt-burdened Detroit Symphony Orchestra canceled the rest of its season on Saturday, after executives and the players failed to resolve a strike that has lasted four and a half months. The players had voted to reject what orchestra executives had said was their final contract offer, calling it unacceptable. The players pointed to large increases in health care costs, a requirement that musicians pay some travel costs, a one-member reduction of the orchestra roster and greater authority by management in determining community and educational concerts. The proposal also included large pay cuts. The musicians had said they were open to lesser pay cuts. Negotiations went on last week and included mediation by Senator Carl Levin of Michigan and Dan Gilbert, the owner of Quicken Loans. In a press release posted on its Web site, the orchestra’s management said it had “reluctantly released artists and conductors from their contracts and suspended all remaining orchestral concerts through June.” But executives left open the possibility that some concerts could be rescheduled and that the summer season could go forward “pending a settlement.” The orchestra said patrons could request refunds, donate their tickets, ask for vouchers for future concerts or exchange tickets for other musical events at its Max M. Fisher Music Center.

(Excerpt) Read more at artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: musicians; strike; union
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To: Moltke

Undoubtedly, the largesse of GM, Chrysler and Ford promoted the orchestra. I wonder if the (putative) fact they had corporate donors with deep pockets that are no longer there put them into a institutional wage structure that was way out of line. No doubt, fewer and fewer people driving in from Grosse Pointe.


41 posted on 02/20/2011 12:47:11 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: blueyon

If there is a large oriental community around Detroit, a great number of the musicians will be well compensated giving private lessons.


42 posted on 02/20/2011 12:50:37 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
It's hard to believe a city like that with so many abandoned buildings exists in the USA.

It's not hard to believe at all. Just look around you and it might be possible to see some of the same things nearby. Detroit is just the best example of decay. But you can look at Cleveland, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Oakland,CA, huge parts of Los Angeles and see some of the same things. I've left out hundreds of other places but you get the point. What do these places have in common. Well it doesn't take too much imagination to know that.
43 posted on 02/20/2011 12:51:30 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Squantos

Events of these days sound so “Atlas Shruggian” don’t they?


44 posted on 02/20/2011 12:51:38 PM PST by bunster
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To: HIDEK6

LOL! You have to be kidding me? Detroit still has a symphony? These people are delusional. Does Camden, NJ or Fallujah have a symphony? Liberalism destroy Detroit. Mozart, Handel, Haydn et al are wasted on these union goons and the savages of Detroit.


45 posted on 02/20/2011 12:53:03 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: HIDEK6

Detroit has no business wasting money on a symphony when they are still bulldozing blocks of vacant houses and abandoning the land. The best thing to do is shut it down and try again some other time with people who are more interested in music.


46 posted on 02/20/2011 12:54:11 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: BobNative
See their “Strike Update” at: http://www.detroitmusicians.net/ The Members should come back to Management and BEG for their jobs without the Union!

Thanks for the link! I scrolled down to the bottom of the page to an audio link--a union "fight song"! Outstanding! Almost as good as the old "Look for the Union Label" commercial and song. You can't make this stuff up!

47 posted on 02/20/2011 12:55:05 PM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
"How in the h*ll does this hack keep getting elected?"

Constituent services for 'rat voters and greedy union bosses and local politicians.

48 posted on 02/20/2011 12:57:14 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Imagine their surprise when nobody cares.

Literally took the words out of my mouth !

49 posted on 02/20/2011 12:57:55 PM PST by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: tickmeister

LOL! So true. I wonder if the irony is lost on these idiots. They are union goons and union leftists have supported the gutter/ghetto lifestyle that has moved us (rapidly) away from a civilized society capable of appreciating classical music.

Put more bluntly - most of Detroit could care less about music made by some old dead white european guys. “They were probably racists anyway.”


50 posted on 02/20/2011 1:00:35 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: HIDEK6

Symphony Orchestras are dying and I for one am very sad about it. I love symphony orchestras deeply. They are beautiful and exciting (as long as they stay away from most of the ugly “modern” music.)

The problem is that their audience doesn’t support them anymore and, if not *very* well managed they go into debt. That sounds like what happened to Detroit. How can Detroit afford an expensive artistic luxury like a symphony?

The Detroit Symphony is a fine orchestra but needs a deep pockets sponsor. Or they need to move out of Detroit. Kinda like a football team, I suppose.

Maybe some other city will build them a concert hall and lure them away...


51 posted on 02/20/2011 1:03:44 PM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: HIDEK6

If Detroit hadn’t chased off all the rich and all the industrialists, perhaps someone could serve as a patron to the arts. But ever since Coleman Young decided that white=Satan, you can forget any Andrew Carnegies or Leland Stanfords sticking around. And even if you allow taxpayer subsidy of the arts, in the tough times, you pay for the essentials. In a city like Detroit, at a time like this, symphonies are a luxury, not a necessity. And I love classical music.


52 posted on 02/20/2011 1:04:13 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp

From personal, though second-hand, experience, classical training is still a golden key to college admission.


53 posted on 02/20/2011 1:10:18 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: HIDEK6
Many of the commenters misconstrue the work life of many of the musicians who perform for an orchestra such as Detroit's. Most have other gigs going, and many may be receiving royalties from recordings for chamber orchestras or other groups they have performed in. Few are starving without their steady paycheck from DSO.

Complicating matters: all are arteeeestes, and far too educated for their own good. Getting bargaining units like this to see reality and accept less than the grand deal they are convinced is their birthright is almost impossible. And very few actually live in Detroit; many do not even live in Michigan. They could care less what their strike does to an already decimated city. It's all about them.

54 posted on 02/20/2011 1:11:28 PM PST by Spartan79 (Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem.)
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To: max americana
I’ve never even heard of Detroit having an orchestra until today LOL.

During the late 60s they were highly regarded.

55 posted on 02/20/2011 1:16:38 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Frantzie

See the wiki page on the DSO. It is (was) a world-class orchestra and widely recorded by major record labels. Have seen them many times.

Bear in mind the the DSO has been supported by the masses in the burbs, not the dregs in the ghetto in the city.

In the meantime, hope these unionists get a dose of reality and go through painful economic times, maybe then they might appreciate those $135K jobs.


56 posted on 02/20/2011 1:16:42 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: HIDEK6

Apparently they were losing money. But then, union types shouldn’t have to WORRY about little things like that!!!


57 posted on 02/20/2011 1:20:44 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Spartan79
And very few actually live in Detroit; many do not even live in Michigan.

The scenario you state is mostly true but a major symphony like Detroit is a major gig and is basically a full time job (although it is not 40 hours a week, it is several days a week.) They likely live in Detroit, at least during the winter concert season, and probably all year. They have recording sessions and other concerts to give, not to mention college teaching positions and private students.

58 posted on 02/20/2011 1:22:47 PM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: tickmeister
Used to be a hillbilly with a banjo, but they don’t get paid at all.

Obviously, you need a college degree. Go to U of Kentucky and get a masters degree in bluegrass. Then you can charge a healthy fee.

59 posted on 02/20/2011 1:23:16 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: HIDEK6
In a press release posted on its Web site, the orchestra’s management said it had “reluctantly released artists and conductors from their contracts and suspended all remaining orchestral concerts through June.”

Yeah boy, the only thing that saved those "hard working" souls from financial oblivion and a life without health care was the union, wasn't it? Stupid idiots.

But for their union, they'd still be employed and most likely still receiving health benefits.
60 posted on 02/20/2011 1:26:20 PM PST by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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