[Anti-Bubba182]

Either the town eats it or this is the beginning of the end to Camera tickets.

[blarney]

The system is wrong anyway. No way to face your accuser.

[Responsibility2nd]

American Traffic Solutions vs. Baytown.

Baytown vs. American Traffic Solutions.

I don’t know which (bleep) to root for or against.

Mostly Baytown I guess. For getting involved with these (bleep) wipes in the first place.

[Navy Patriot]

[kittymyrib]

Several Texas cities (Lubbock, College Station, Austin) have stopped the red light camera scam. It finally dawned on those sharper citizens that the camera companies were taking 2/3 of the $75 fines.

[Ditter]

Houston shut down their redlight cameras. I saw a collision yesterday caused by a woman who ran a red light.

[cyberlaw]

“The profits you make won't be worth it.”

Just to confirm - The City installed these cameras for “profit” and not for safety. The truth is evident. This is just a little observation for those fighting red light camera tickets.......... Good luck

[cyberlaw]

“The profits you make won't be worth it.”

Just to confirm - The City installed these cameras for “profit” and not for safety. The truth is evident. This is just a little observation for those fighting red light camera tickets.......... Good luck

[a fool in paradise]

Baytown (near Houston) PING

Also Texas Red Light litigation

[NeverForgetBataan]

That’s hilarious. I think the whole red light camera ticket system is like a circular firing squad.

You have a government body ripping money off from mostly private sector citizens, skimming some money from the top, and forwarding the rest to some more private sector citizens running the equipment maker.

Its like some jackA$$ run ponzi scheme.

[miele man]

I don’t know YET if my town has contracted with this particular company but cameras have been installed like topsy recently. I notice now that the time the yellow light is on has seemingly been shortened. From the time I first got a driver license, I recall the purpose of a yellow light is to clear an intersection. Seems to me that with shorter yellow times, it can only mean more folks will be caught in the intersection during a red light. I’ve been timing the yellow lights and they range from 4 to five seconds.

[HereInTheHeartland]

I have often said that the cities can keep the red light cameras.
But any profits should go to any other entity such as the state.
Then we would see if the cameras were really about safety!

[Trailerpark Badass]

Make the assholes who thought this was a good idea pay for it.

[Marty62]

Maybe Baytown residents should contact this guy: CameraFRAUD Demands FBI Investigation Media Inquiries: media@camerafraud.com Attorney and CameraFRAUD member Michael Kielsky has uncovered potentially damning information regarding photo enforcement process service within Arizona. The revelation? Widespread, illegal certificates of service, admittedly completed by office workers instead of the actual server. Developing… Just got back from court with another Photo Radar case win — but how I won “shocked” even me. The case was set for a process server hearing, and the process server was there, seemed to remember the service, and otherwise was a credible witness, leaving me little room to challenge the service. I then asked if he had notes from the day of service, which he confirmed, and I asked if I could see them. I compared his notes to the certificate of service, and saw that some of the demographic specifics were off (the height was 5″ off, the age was specific instead of the range in the notes, the weight was off by 5 lbs.). I then asked him about the differences (in that, more than anything else, the height seemed significant). Bombshell alert: He answered that he sends his notes in to the process service office, and then someone there fills out the certificate of service with all the details, and adds a digitized image of his signature, and the files it. My jaw hit the desk. I asked him to confirm that the certificate was completed from his notes, and that he did not review it before it was signed, under penalty of perjury, with his digitized signature, and he confirmed, and said that’s the way they always do it, in 10′s of thousands of cases. I argued to the judge that I had no issue with the digitized signature, but that the certificate of service was void, as it was completed and signed without his review, and it did not accurately reflect his own notes regarding the service. The judge questioned the process server some more about this process, and, among other things, he admitted, that, well yes, for eviction service, that’s not how they do it, but for photo radar they do. Case dismissed. http://camerafraud.wordpress.com/tag/james-tuton/

[Neidermeyer]

If you go to the newspaper you see that ATS’s attorney is “Andy Taylor” ... Aunt Bea would NOT approve...

[Mr Ramsbotham]

I wonder if I.G. Farben sued the Allies when the Nazis could no longer supply slave labor for its factories.

[TexasCajun]

A contract is a contract regardless what voters say.

Baytown, like Houston will have to pay up bigtime to get out of their contracts.

[Stevenc131]

The state of Georgia legislature passed a law recently that set a minimum time for Yellow light to remain on. This increased the time the yellow light was on by 1 to 2 seconds in most cities and counties if I remember correctly. The number of redlight tickets dropped by something like 80% in many areas.

Since the city in the story had a contract, the citizens should have just voted to increase the yellow light time to something like 4 seconds, giving drivers plenty of time to clear the intersection. ATS would have lost interest in running the system without any profits, and the city wouldn’t have been in any violation of the contract since all they did was up the time for the yellow light.

[Selmore]

Camera cops shouldn't be allowed but if they have a legal contract, how can it be undone?

When they voted to change the rules they should have also mentioned to the voter the cost of paying off this company. (ie a vote yes will mean no more cameras but we have to pay this company millions to cancel the contract.) Also, 1/3 of the profit to the municipal is fair, if the company handles all cost. You have to figure the construction/admin cost would be at least 1/3, so it's not like the companies are getting rich.

[DustyMoment]

Texas: ATS Sues City For Insufficient Red Light Camera Ticketing

The irony here is delicious!!