Posted on 02/14/2011 7:51:47 AM PST by Kaslin
CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, has been an annual gig for me for years. But this year I concluded it was not my place and I declined to participate in the various venues at the event for which I was invited.
Yes, the reason I declined was the inclusion of GOProud, a group identifying itself as representing “gay conservatives and their allies,” as a sponsor of the event.
And it’s the reason why some of the nation’s most important conservative organizations – the Heritage Foundation, the American Family Association, Concerned Women of America, Family Research Council, Media Research Center, and the National Organization for Marriage - did not participate.
The founder and chairman of GOProud removed any doubt on my part that not participating was the correct decision by dismissing these groups as “losers,” “clowns,” and “not relevant.”
I, of course, have been accused of being worse than a clown. The barrage regularly comes in from the left. But this is a first that I’ve had to listen to this kind of stuff from a group that postures as “conservative.”
I became a conservative in church. I thought I was doing okay in my previous life - scamming the welfare system, going to the beach, soaking in my welfare subsidized hot tub, treating sex as a hobby, and abortion as birth control.
In our culture today that views material prosperity as the ultimate barometer of success, the truth is becoming unfortunately lost that the evil man can prosper. And if there is nothing more than what is before our eyes in this world, what does it matter?
When I understood how the culture of welfare state materialism was destroying not just my life, but all of black America, there was no dividing line in my mind between “social issues” and “economic issues.” The only dividing line I saw was between right and wrong, good and evil.
The idea of “gay conservative” is an oxymoron.
“Gay” is everything that “conservative” is not.
The foundation of the world view that so-called “gay conservatives” embrace has far more in common with liberalism than with conservatism.
It’s a world view that is man-centered rather than God-centered. It is a world view that rejects eternal truths passed on from the beginning of time. Although the world view that “gay conservatives” choose to invent may diverge from the world view of liberals, their common ground is they make it all up.
And it is here where “gay conservatives” and “liberals” fundamentally depart from conservatives.
Conservatives believe that there are objective and eternal truths, not of the product of any individual human mind, that are transmitted through the generations. Culture is not like HDTV or iPhones where the newest model is the best.
These eternal truths provide the light in the fog that keeps us from crashing on the rocky shores where our base instincts lead us.
“Gay” is liberal, not conservative, regardless of what their stand may be on government spending or taxes.
It’s why, like all liberals, they use language to create reality, rather than appreciate that words have meaning that reflect reality.
So they have re-invented the word “gay,” re-invented the word “marriage”, and now they want to re-invent the word “conservative.”
Finally, we will re-invent the word “freedom” and we’ll put the final stamp on the idea that a free society, rather than being the path to truth, is the path to meaninglessness.
What individuals choose in private, and for which they bear personal responsibility, is separate from what we sanction publicly for which we all must bear responsibility.
A value-neutral government is impossible. The central battle in our country today is about values and how we understand freedom. It is a battle for our very soul. And, as we learned from CPAC, it’s not a struggle that is just between Democrats and Republicans.
“And if you think GOProud’s legislative agenda is conservative, you’re on the bandwagon no matter what kind of private life you have.”
Have you read it?
Of course limiting government is about making the government respect its proper limits. That isn't in dispute. It's a tautology. You are arguing for the proposition that the government can, consistently with the principles of classical liberalism (John Locke and all that)destroy the sexual morality that under-girds the most successful culture in human history. Sorry but that's both crazy and utterly inconsistent with limited government. Government big enough to redesign our morality is much too big to respect any limits on its power.
Incidentally, your reference to the dietary laws couldn't be more beside the point. We didn't build a civilization on the principle that eating ham is wrong. We did build a civilization on the principle that sex is a profoundly serious matter of life and death not to be trifled with.
You keep pushing their agenda and Jim is going to Zot you.
“And where does the Constitution say that the government may rearrange society’s fundamental moral commitments by force?”
A smaller government would not do that.
“They don’t WANT smaller government. They WANT to use the force of government to make the 98% of the population that isn’t homosexual accept them. THAT’s bigger government.
You keep pushing their agenda and Jim is going to Zot you. “
Show me where in their platform it says that.
I’ve been a freeper since 1998. If I’m to be zotted, so be it.
Did YOU?! I highlighted the areas where they want special perks because of their sexual behavior. That is NOT Conservative!
How about addressing Post 76!
I’ve read it numerous times since I first saw it many months ago.
Homos in the military?
Same sex marriage?
Special bennies for homos?
Hassling other countries who are mean to homos?
They’ve taken out the repeal of DADT since it already happened, hopefully the Rs in DC will unfund it so it won’t work.
GOProud clearly admits they’re “all gay” and that’s they’re interest. They’ve cleverly re-worded some of the agenda recently so as to have more appeal but it’s the same homo-agenda, just gussied up a bit more.
Should we inform them to not vote for the GOP, even if they agree on lower taxes, and a smaller government of limited and enumerated powers?
“I don’t support the fairy tax or the fairy agenda!”
OK, fairtax folks. Have at him.
Who has told ANYONE not to vote Conservative? What we DON'T want is a sexually identified group that force an agenda based solely on sexual practices.
Some so-called conservative Republicans seem willing to accommodate the "gay" political agenda on the premise that gay votes and financial contributions are necessary in order to win in many states such as CA and NY which bring a large electoral vote to the table. But as for myself, I'm not buying for a NY minute the notion that a "practical" strategy that includes supporting the gay agenda is a necessary evil. That way of thinking is not only mistaken, it's utterly repulsive to those of us who make up the "religious right" bloc that the mainstream GOP despises except when our votes are being counted. And if the GOP accepts that kind of immoral filth as a part of a 'big tent" political strategy I won't give my vote or financial support to any candidate who supports that strategy as necessary in order to win an election.
Not that the current GOP appears to care what people like me believe regarding moral issues. Economic issues are the only things that seem to matter now, and I understand that those are also vitally important to the future of the US as a great world power. But at least I won't have to apologize to my kids and grandkids when, not if, in the not too distant future the US becomes equally as depraved as most of present-day western Europe.
Beagle8U isn’t supporting a homosexual identity group pushing an agenda. You are.
So, you’re against personal savings accounts that are one’s own property that one can leave to anyone one wants to?
I think you’re a liberal in here to split the conservative movement. You gotta be. I can’t think of any other reason anyone would try to disunite the conservatives.
Have you ever read the New Testament? (Most Jews I've met have not.) After telling hypocritical religious leaders ready to murder an adulterous woman, "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone" Jesus next statement--to the woman caught in adultery, was "Go and sin no more." (book of John, Ch. 8) Jesus' mercy there, did not abrogate the sin of adultery. Christianity has never allowed or advocated sexual immorality of any kind--even while providing forgiveness after sincere repentance....
And what about all those Old Testement commandments that are no longer valid? Like eating ham? How come that is OK, but buggery is not?
(I will note that even amidst the strictest Orthodox Hasidim today, eating a ham sandwich is not seen as nearly as bad as sexual sin...just to keep things in perspective...)
As for Christians: Read Acts 15, a council of the 1st Apostles (who actually, were all Jewish) and Acts 10, where Kosher laws were suspended--on the basis of a vision from God and, Jesus' principle that "What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” (Matthew 15:11), all in order to reach out to the Gentiles--with the good news that faith in Jesus saves.
Since the 1st Century Christians have never followed old Jewish ceremonial laws(which we see completed in Jesus...)--of which Kosher is one of them.
However, the 10 Commandments and the basic sexual morality of ancient Judaism, Christians have endeavored to follow for 2,000 years.
That's the whole point of the “gay rights” agenda. GOProud wants us to recognize homosexual liaison's in a variety of ways. For example, it wants government to use public funds, taken from us under threat of force, to pay benefits to domestic partners. It wants laws requiring private employers to use their own funds to do the same, regardless of their views about homosexuality.
Moving money around is just the beginning. Small governments can't tinker with a society's morality. Big cultural changes always involve a lot of coercion — think Sherman's march to the sea. You can't be for both “gay rights” and a small government any more than you can be for comprehensive wage and price controls and a small government. It just doesn't scan.
“However, the 10 Commandments and the basic sexual morality of ancient Judaism, Christians have endeavored to follow for 2,000 years. “
what the heck? Most of us Jews pick and choose, too.
Do you support special government perks for people based on their homosexual practices?
I thought the whole point of private accounts was that one could will them to whomever one wants.
Are we to change estate law to say that one can will one’s property anywhere, except to one that one has buggerred?
The fastest way to do that is to begin qualifying what kind of conservative you are.
Dont you think?
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