Posted on 02/11/2011 1:53:50 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Hosni Mubarak had harsh words for the United States and what he described as its misguided quest for democracy in the Middle East in a telephone call with an Israeli lawmaker a day before he quit as Egypt's president. The legislator, former cabinet minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, said on TV Friday that he came away from the 20-minute conversation on Thursday with the feeling the 82-year-old leader realized "it was the end of the Mubarak era". "He had very tough things to say about the United States," said Ben-Eliezer, a member of the Labor Party who has held talks with Mubarak on numerous occasions while serving in various Israeli coalition governments. "He gave me a lesson in democracy and said: 'We see the democracy the United States spearheaded in Iran and with Hamas, in Gaza, and that's the fate of the Middle East,'" Ben-Eliezer said. "'They may be talking about democracy but they don't know what they're talking about and the result will be extremism and radical Islam,'" he quoted Mubarak as saying. U.S. support for pro-democracy elements in Iran has not led to regime change in the Islamic Republic, and Hamas, a group Washington considers to be a terrorist organization, won a 2006 Palestinian election promoted by the United States. Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip in 2007 after a coalition government it formed with Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas collapsed in a power struggle. Ben-Eliezer said Mubarak expanded in the telephone call on "what he expects will happen in the Middle East after his fall". "He contended the snowball (of civil unrest) won't stop in Egypt and it wouldn't skip any Arab country in the Middle East and in the Gulf.
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Thats why 0bama did it, he was looking for a cheap win.
Cuba in the 1890s was suffering under Spanish misrule. We got rid of the Spanish--now they have Castro.
Wilson didn't think the Kaiser was a nice guy. After a few years of a weak democracy, Germany wound up with Hitler.
JFK got fed up with Diem. After Diem, some regimes that were no better, then a Communist dictatorship.
Jimmy Carter thought the Shah was mean...so now they have had 32 years of Islamic theocracy.
Muzorewa wasn't radical enough for Carter, so he was pushed aside in favor of Mugabe...more authentic because he was an outright Marxist.
“On Monday we will see a big demonstration in Tehran and the wind of change will sweep away the dictatorships....”
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If that happens, you’ll witness a bloodbath instead. Ahmeddindin and his regime are cut from a different cloth than Mubarak in Egypt was.
Remember, no 2nd Amendment in Iran and we should know from experience that the Ayatollah does not shy from the spilling of blood in the streets.
Why prop up anyone? Why meddle in their affairs at all?
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It’s their business. I’m amazed how many people think it’s our business who runs Egypt.
>I just heard a report there are protesters in (was it Iran?) with signs saying DEATH TO AMERICA.<
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The way things are going, be not surprised if you see these same signs right here at home anytime soon.
LOL, well, its so nice that you have stepped out of your norman rockwell painting to join us.... got a couple words for ya... Suez Canal. Once you are done drinking rainbows and dancing with unicorns kind of grab the idea of a radical islamic regime controlling Suez and the effects of that.Sheehs
>Only an iron fisted dictator who understands that is able to inforce “social order.”<
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Don’t you think that the Iraqi Christians, whatever is left today, would like to turn the clock back and be ruled by Saddam Hussein again?
If the most populous Arab country in the world is overtaken by Muslim Brotherhood fanatics hell-bent on the destruction of western civilization, it's a major concern. Obviously who runs Egypt is not our call, but it's our national security concern.
We shall reap what others have sown for if you and I had anything to say about the matter.
We would not stand back and wait to see what will happens but rather insist upon a guided path to Democracy.
Not a willy nilly (hope this works out) attitude that the Liberals always seem to think works - but never does.
Liberals never think that evil wins out over good intent - every time.
Unless your population understands the true difference between freedom and just turning over your future to others that might have other ideas on the subject.
Arabs are historically used to being told to do things and are not used to taking responsibility for anything. It is always their leaders who take responsibility and the citizens ultimately must do what they are told.
But there are still to be elections in September, and I guess they will be reasonably fair elections. That's when we find out just how much the Egyptian people subscribe to fundamental Islamic beliefs, and how many of them desire to live under sharia.
Based on the 2010 Pew survey that has been written about often the past couple of weeks, a good majority favor Islamic law. So this is all to be decided by free and fair elections, and not be any dictate from the army.
I assume you are part of the Obama Administration?
If they choose war with Israel, or let the Mooselimb Brotherhood do it for them, my main worry will be that their radioactive remains circulate in the stratosphere for a sufficient number of half-lives.
When Egypt had populist government, they tried three times to defeat Israel in a war, 1956, 1967 and 1973.
Since Sadat and then Mubarak were in charge, they signed a peace treaty with Israel and have not seen significant hostilities for almost four decades.
Now it’s back to army rule and beyond that, quite possibly some populist demagogue. In a country of 80 million with an economy designed for 20 million, what do you think is most likely to happen next?
I see no cause for celebrations in any of this.
You know what they say:
“Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don’t ...”
Sure, Mubarak might have been a slimeball dictator, but he was the linchpin in keeping a lid on the Middle East. If the MB comes to power in Egypt, other nations [Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc.] may also go - then theres REALLY gonna be a problem ...
Various Administrations supported Mubarak fully since 1981. Then, two weeks ago, we suddenly discover he’s a dictator? We had information that an upheaval was coming last year.
In 2008 they were already in place and ready, awaiting the right moment. Can it be the election of BHO II, with hundres of millions of campaign donations coming from the Gaza Strip, was an international pay to play scam? Now onto the next domino to fall. The crown jewels for the new caliphate are Jerusalem, Mecca and Medina.
Fits in nicely with György Schwartz’s New World Order as well.
You don’t understand. The people of the ME need a dictator, without one the islamist will rule. The non islamist will suffer greatly. A heavy hand is needed to control these people. Look around the world and get a clue.
Same thing happens in Egypt but the MUSLIM roles reversed and Obama says "Change and Transition must be swift and orderly."
He is a dyed in the wool MUSLIM Kenyan, nothing more.
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