Posted on 02/09/2011 2:54:05 AM PST by crosslink
Edited on 02/09/2011 6:51:12 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Several sources familiar with the ongoing investigation tell WTOP fire and police investigators believe the radiator in Turton's 2008 BMW X5 was punctured when it rolled into a workbench. The halogen headlights, which emit a bluish light and illuminate the road better than conventional headlights, stayed on after the radiator was punctured.
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You do good research. You bring one question to my mind. Thermal expansion. How long prior was the car driven and how long would it take for the pressure to subside? I have not read near enough on this story but if she was only home for an hour or two would that have caused the pressure to remain much higher than you anticipate with a ‘cold’ start?
Here is the timeline:
4:45 AM victim leaves house
4:50 AM neighbor calls 911, seeing “terrific flames”
Shortly BEFORE 5:00 AM they find the victim dead
Body is burnt beyond recognition. Can't identify on scene.
Now they are saying the victim was “stricken and unconscious” before she was burned.
In 5 MINUTES we have flames three stories tall. Ask yourself - what can cause three story flames in 5 minutes?
In LESS THAN 15 MINUTES we have a victim that has been 1) rendered stricken and unconscious, 2) burnt beyond recognition by flames 3 stories tall, and 3) found dead by firemen.
All indications are the fire was put out within 15 minutes from start to finish, reaching three stories in height.
Antifreeze?
Let's see if Mythbusters can build an antifreeze fire three stories in height.
We are to believe that cold anti-freeze and a cold car headlight did this?
...fantastic location with coverage by both the dc metropolitan police and the capitol hill police force...
Wonder what the loud popping noises were?
NealAugenstein@ I have been, and will be interviewing a lot of people involved in investigation. Take a look at yesterday's story for Previous
You have probably seen it, but I am posting it in case there are others (like me) that haven’t seen it.
bfl
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“Really....it has been a month and a suspected homicide and no autopsy has yet even been performed? Does it usually take so long for an autopsy? I thought they were immediate in cases like this. “
They’re delaying the autopsy until after she votes for Rahm Emanuel.
I want the smart guy on Nova to show me that anti-freeze will ignite.
I do know that UN-diluted anti freeze WILL freeze, but have spent over 55 years around cars & I have never heard of anti-freeze being able to ignite.
The timing would depend on how cold it was in the garage, but it wouldn't take very long under most circumstances. NOAA says that the low on January 10th was 19 degrees at 6:41 AM. This garage does not appear to be heated so it was (guessing) probably about 15-20 degrees warmer than that.
Think about it this way, everyone knows not to remove their radiator cap while the engine is hot. Reason: The coolant is under pressure from thermal expansion. I think that waiting an hour it would certainly have subsided for the most part. Remember, it not only has to be under pressure, it has to be under enough pressure to atomize the leaking coolant, and maintain that atomization long enough for a flammable cloud of coolant to reach the ignition source.
I smell BS
...something passed through Hilary's friend
I blame evil spirits. The ghost of Ted The Red Kennedy possessed her.
Not only ignites, but ignite due to contact with a headlight.
And then set the garage on fire.
While the front end of the car was away from the end of the garage (the car was partially during the fire).
And the flames were big enough and lasted long enough to ignite the garage, the ceiling/rafters being several feet away
Meanwhile the driver mysteriously can't exit the vehicle, nor could she blow the horn for help, or use her phone
Riiiiiight.
What are the odds of antifreeze catching on fire?
What are the odds of a low spped crash creating a cloud of antifreeze?
What are the odds that cloud reached the headlights in concentrations high enough to combust?
What are the odds that the headlights would have enough heat to ignite this coolant cloud?
What are the odds of that combustion producing persistant flames strong enough to ignite a structure?
What are the odds a 37 YO woman would be incapacitated by this accident?
Each item above has fairly long odds in my opinion. Stringing them all together puts this story way beyond plausible.
She died from Clintonitis?
Oh,it stinks for sure but you were the most detailed and had a good grip on the situation thus you were asked what appeared to be the next logical question. We have not seen in print however if she had just arrived home to pick up some things for her (supposed,possible) trip that her coworkers seemed to have no hint about. Just saying it seems like a legitimate question.
Remember, it’s not just anti-freeze. It is also called ENGINE COOLANT! It is meant to keep the engine from getting TOO HOT just as much as too cold. We just call it antifreeze but it does both. Engine temperatures get so hot, if this stuff caught fire at 240 degrees then there would be engine fires all the time.
This story does not hold any water. Unless someone put something else in the radiator, it doesn’t wash. It’s so bizarre I wonder why anyone even postulated it.
My dad said he heard that it was something else in the garage that caught fire - that may be true... but anti-freeze? No.
Best answer I’ve heard.
I'd guess zero. They run pretty much straight water, so any spills on the track from overheating or wrecks evaporates quickly and won't be slippery from residual glycol.
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