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To: savagesusie
At no point have you addressed the reality that homosexuals are what they are and are unable to be anything else. How can you condemn, insult, alienate, and persecute a person who is what they are and is unable to be something else regardless of why they are what they are? Worse yet, how can you deny God's salvation to such a person especially when they aren't hurting anyone?

As far as the mommy/daddy issues go, of course extreme sensory deprivation and acts of physical/psychological torture will result in abnormal development. Duh. The error in your logic here is that of the non sequitur: all psychos are homosexuals and have mommy/daddy issues; therefore, all homosexuals have mommy/daddy issues because all homosexuals are psychos. It does not follow for a number of reasons. I'll leave you to sort them out. Incidentally, pretty much everyone has mommy/daddy issues of some kind.

Once again, I have to point out that, ultimately, it is unresolved inner conflict that leads to unhealthy, destructive, society wrecking behaviors and this particular conflict remains unresolved because various members of society keep it unresolved by maintaining the discriminatory positions that you have put forth.

Now, I do not disagree with your position entirely mind you. You may be on target but you aren't hitting the bulls eye IMO. You are excessively focused on mommy/daddy issues as the sole etiology of homosexuality. Homosexuality is, undeniably, complicated and nothing that complicated is ever explained that simply.

91 posted on 02/11/2011 1:34:08 AM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

You are telling me man has no choice in life—no Free Will. I fundamentally disagree and know we all make choices—it is what life is all about—good and bad choices and everything in-between. Some are extremely hard choices, but choices just the same.

How can I refute your main point that homosexuals can not change their orientation, when even Kinsey (the deviant that he was) said that homosexuality is fluid. He is the guru of most homosexuals, isn’t he? Also, you dismiss all the homosexuals who do change, as denying their “nature” and although they “pretend” to be heterosexual now, they are not.

You think “love” is being able to place a body organ somewhere—anywhere. How logical is that? That is an “urge”. Bathhouses with holes in the walls does not seem sane to me—or even human, yet that and anonymous sex is “love”? How absurd is that.

Like I say...history shows orientation to be learned....Afghanistan is a present day example. The boys who are raped have fantasies of having their “stable of boys” when they grow up. Read the articles....just type in Afghanistan and Sodomy. Is that “natural” or is it perversion?

You really need to read Aristotle...the Father of Logic and especially his explanation of habituation. We know that when a person does something “over and over” again it changes the formation of the brain and becomes habit. People who indulge in music will have larger mapped areas of the spacial part of the brain.

Psychologists have said that orientation has a lot to do with the initiation into the sexual act...if it is molestation by a male or female will determine the orientation to a large extent. (Male homosexuals molest boys at a rate of 128 boys to heterosexual men’s 8 girls.) The elicitation of pleasure that comes naturally with any stimulation of the sex organs in the body determines the “craving” and the desire. It is learned.

You also never address NAMBLA’s motto...What is that “idea” about, if not the reorientation of a child’s natural sex drive? People who want to pervert a child’s nature is truly evil....they think it is all about “love”....but nature shows us the results of that type of thinking....Afghanistan with little boys being painted and dancing for the lust of men and their women being covered from head to toe—worthless creatures with no noses who are only good for producing more beautiful little boys for their lust and entertainment. That society is worthless and evil by all human standards.

It is the “Culture of Death” that the Pope so eloquently writes and warns about.


92 posted on 02/11/2011 9:57:34 AM PST by savagesusie
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