You are telling me man has no choice in life—no Free Will. I fundamentally disagree and know we all make choices—it is what life is all about—good and bad choices and everything in-between. Some are extremely hard choices, but choices just the same.
How can I refute your main point that homosexuals can not change their orientation, when even Kinsey (the deviant that he was) said that homosexuality is fluid. He is the guru of most homosexuals, isn’t he? Also, you dismiss all the homosexuals who do change, as denying their “nature” and although they “pretend” to be heterosexual now, they are not.
You think “love” is being able to place a body organ somewhere—anywhere. How logical is that? That is an “urge”. Bathhouses with holes in the walls does not seem sane to me—or even human, yet that and anonymous sex is “love”? How absurd is that.
Like I say...history shows orientation to be learned....Afghanistan is a present day example. The boys who are raped have fantasies of having their “stable of boys” when they grow up. Read the articles....just type in Afghanistan and Sodomy. Is that “natural” or is it perversion?
You really need to read Aristotle...the Father of Logic and especially his explanation of habituation. We know that when a person does something “over and over” again it changes the formation of the brain and becomes habit. People who indulge in music will have larger mapped areas of the spacial part of the brain.
Psychologists have said that orientation has a lot to do with the initiation into the sexual act...if it is molestation by a male or female will determine the orientation to a large extent. (Male homosexuals molest boys at a rate of 128 boys to heterosexual men’s 8 girls.) The elicitation of pleasure that comes naturally with any stimulation of the sex organs in the body determines the “craving” and the desire. It is learned.
You also never address NAMBLA’s motto...What is that “idea” about, if not the reorientation of a child’s natural sex drive? People who want to pervert a child’s nature is truly evil....they think it is all about “love”....but nature shows us the results of that type of thinking....Afghanistan with little boys being painted and dancing for the lust of men and their women being covered from head to toe—worthless creatures with no noses who are only good for producing more beautiful little boys for their lust and entertainment. That society is worthless and evil by all human standards.
It is the “Culture of Death” that the Pope so eloquently writes and warns about.
You're telling me that you have chosen to be heterosexual? No offense to you, but that suggests sexual ambivalence to me. You are what you are. Do you believe a schizophrenic chooses to be schizophrenic? Does a depressed person choose to be depressed? Does a black man choose to be black?
You think “love” is being able to place a body organ somewhere
careful now. We're not exchanging insults here, we're just exchanging ideas in order to better understand reality. I love my girlfriend. Enough said.
How can I refute your main point that homosexuals can not change their orientation, when even Kinsey (the deviant that he was) said that homosexuality is fluid.
If you accept the Kinsey scale than you must accept that true homosexual identity is immutable. I personally do not 100% accept the Kinsey scale. I contend that there are not degrees of homosexuality but, rather, degrees of homosexual repression.
Also, you dismiss all the homosexuals who do change, as denying their “nature” and although they “pretend” to be heterosexual now, they are not.
There is no conclusive, unbiased, scientific body of evidence to suggest that conversion therapy is effective, real, healthy, or ethical. What's more, stories of successful conversion ignore the fact that social stigma creates a strong impulse in the homosexual's mind to believe he/she has changed or can change. There are numerous stories of homosexuals who claimed to have successfully converted only to later recant.
Like I say...history shows orientation to be learned...The boys who are raped have fantasies...
and like I said, physical/psychological torture will certainly explain abnormal psychosocial/psychosexual development in the adolescent.
You really need to read Aristotle...the Father of Logic
you have peddled your fair share of logical fallacies and anecdotal evidence here as well. Considering that there isn't any conclusive scientific evidence one way or the other, it is forgivable.
Psychologists have said that orientation has a lot to do with the initiation into the sexual act.
Right, this is absolutely consistent with what I have been saying all along-once the taboo idol has been touched without consequence, the desire to touch the taboo idol again grows; however, the question is, does the violation of the taboo prohibition merely stimulate an already ambivalent mind into acting? Freud says yes, that taboo violations are human constructions created to inhibit human proclivities.
You also never address NAMBLA’s motto...
and why would I? I have already conceded that corruptive acts will corrupt development, especially in children who are known to be sexually ambivalent in the first place. This supports my position that the perceived violation of social taboos without divine consequence by sexually ambivalent subjects breaks down the inhibitory wall that prevented the subject from acting on his/her desirable yet undesirable impulses. I hypothesize that pornography is a far deeper root cause of homosexuality than child molestation at least in western society. Having said that, once the die is cast, there's no going back but that is my opinion which is based on the complete lack of evidence to suggest otherwise. Having said that, It seems unethical and immoral to punish such an individual for being who he or she is. I think the only reason it is done is to punish the taboo violator in order to strengthen the taboo prohibition in order to deny one's own ambivalence. this is why the loudest voices in opposition to homosexuality are frequently found to be closet homosexuals themselves, they are clearly compensating. Look at Larry Craig for instance. His voting record was loudly anti-homosexual but his behavior was quite the opposite. There is no shortage of similar incidents.