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1 posted on 02/01/2011 9:50:32 PM PST by speciallybland
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I have no idea who he is get him started in the Repub primary sounds good.


2 posted on 02/01/2011 9:51:35 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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I’m conservative - but this guy’s a fruitcake. I don’t want my daughter drivin’ down the road sharing the highway with God knows what imbecile who may not have any common sense [much less driving ability] ...


3 posted on 02/01/2011 9:55:45 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...</i><p>)
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Nutbar. Showing some basic competency and a general knowledge of the rules of the road is an absolute requirement for the safety of everyone.


5 posted on 02/01/2011 10:00:07 PM PST by Melas
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I think this is a little over the line. OK, a LOT over the line.

You need to ensure the people on the road know the rules of the road. States have the complete right (and obligation) to ensure the safety of its citizenry (NOT a Federal obligation).


6 posted on 02/01/2011 10:00:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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This kind of silly stuff is what gives Libertarians a bad name. Driving is not a right and we need licenses because of the harm someone can do with a motor vehicle.

I guess all the problems in Georgia have been solved.


7 posted on 02/01/2011 10:00:27 PM PST by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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While I understand where he’s coming from with this idea (less government) it doesn’t make it any less of a dumb idea.


8 posted on 02/01/2011 10:02:05 PM PST by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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Um, not! Driving a motor vehicle is not an unalienable right. Driving a motor vehicle is a priviledge, subject to demonstration that a person is competent in controlling a vehicle capable of causing severe injury and/or death.


11 posted on 02/01/2011 10:13:34 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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This man is an idiot. Licensing is necessary for safety. There is no constitutional right to drive. You want to get somewhere, walk or buy a bike. On this level of stupidity, anyone should be aloud to pilot a plane without a license. That would be swell.

Here is an actual pic of this dude sitting at his job.


12 posted on 02/01/2011 10:13:59 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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"Free people have a common law and constitutional right to travel on the roads and highways that are provided by their government for that purpose."

All US citizens are perfectly free to travel on US roads and highways.

They can ride in the speed and comfort of a car, ride in the speed and comfort of a bus, ride a bicycle, and as far as I am aware, ride a horse or drive a horse and buggy, all without a license. They are also free to hitchhike, as long as they follow the applicable laws - again, without any license whatsoever.

They MAY NOT, however, operate the statistically single most-lethal weapon in the United States (the automobile) without appropriate training and qualification.

18 posted on 02/01/2011 10:31:55 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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Everyone says it is a training issue but after you get your license at 16 you are never checked again, except maybe for vision. So get the license once and have it expire when you turn 70 or so.


20 posted on 02/01/2011 10:47:18 PM PST by microgood
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Human beings first learned to walk upright. No one said walking was not a right, or charged them a fee.

Then humans discovered the wheel. No one said it was not a right to have a wheeled vehicle, or charged fees to use them.

Then humans domesticated oxen and horses, which were hitched to wheeled vehicles, making it possible for people to travel farther, faster, and to transport heavier objects. No one charged a fee, and said it was not a right to use horses, oxen, and vehicles pulled by such animals.

Then humans invented horseless carriages. At first, they were not charged fees to use such vehicles, nor did anyone claim it was only a "privilege" to own and use them.

Then humans in government discovered how to use the concept of licenses to make money and control the people. They convinced the people of the need for licenses and fees, wrote laws to require them, and that's how personal transportation became a privilege and not a natural right.

21 posted on 02/01/2011 10:50:32 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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Beyond it being an idiotic idea, this just encourages more leftist voter fraud.


22 posted on 02/01/2011 10:56:45 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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Once upon a time, a driver license meant you took the course and are capable of operating a motorized vehicle safely. That may still be true in some areas. But many areas don't teach Driver's Ed as class in school anymore -- I guess that hour of the day is better spent putting condoms on cucumbers or learning to appreciate homosexuality. Your drivers' education is only as good as the company you pay to sign off on you -- and you get what you pay for. Now days, a driver's license is more a tool for the police to keep tabs on you and tax you now and then. It's value has shifted somewhat and I'm not sure how I feel about it. I don't know if I agree completely with this guy, but he is not a fruit cake in his opinion.


23 posted on 02/01/2011 11:00:46 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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Actually... when you think about it...
the “driving test” is not a valid test.

Ok, take NJ (please take NJ). I don’t know what it’s like now, but I drove around some cones, took a 20-question multiple choice, got my license, then IMMEDIATELY drove out onto Route 46 in Fairfield - 3 lanes of non-stop traffic (a lot of traffic 24 hours a day, let alone during the day). you have to see it to believe it.
One had to gun whatever car one was in and get to 40 in a few seconds (NJ, where the weak are killed and eaten).
Pulling out onto the road was the test. The cones were a WASTE.
A personal Photo ID makes a lot of sense, but that does not have to be a license to drive.
There are civil and criminal penalties related to driving; not having licenses would not remove the penalties, other than revoking the license. Replace license revoking the license penalty with n days picking up garbage on rt 80. If the offense is bad enough, jail time (which is what happens now !). There’s just no license to revoke.
Strange as it sounds, it makes sense.
People who are revoked in NJ VERY typically drive anyway - especially the worst offenders who really should not drive.
What do we need the license for, and the tons of people and systems in the state maintaining it all. It’s got to be millions.


24 posted on 02/01/2011 11:02:51 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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And we’d still have the license plate on the car, which is linked to the VIN of the car.

And the state photo ID card could use the person’s SSN as the ID (what a novel idea, actually be in sync with Federal data).

Then, the auto Registration (license plate) is tied via the Owner’s SSN to the person, where right now it’s tied via the driver lic #.

I think the “driver license” is obsolete maybe. Everything we do is tied by SSN, bank accounts, etc. Driver lic. # seems to just be an ancillary piece of data to everyone but the state you live in.


25 posted on 02/01/2011 11:07:00 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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I am always amazed at the so called conservatives on this board who talk about “privileges” as if, in a democratic republic such as this, there were a power able to grant such privileges.

Driving is not a privilege. The right to travel from place to place is a god given right. Everything else is cowards who don’t know how to drive defensively. Every day you take life into your own hands. The highways are no different.

God I’m tired .of pretend conservatives who only want to use the power of government to force others into their own ends.


31 posted on 02/01/2011 11:27:45 PM PST by PhilosopherStone1000
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"Free people have a common law and constitutional right to travel on the roads and highways that are provided by their government for that purpose."

Well, okay, free people have the right to travel; no argument there. I'm not so sure they have the right to drive 3K pound cars at 90 mph on the freeway without some basic knowledge of how to drive and which side of the road to drive on.

33 posted on 02/01/2011 11:49:27 PM PST by hsalaw
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He’s got it exactly backwards. We should do what the Germans do. Make getting your license mean something. Make sure you really know how to drive, or you flunk. Then get rid of the speed limits!


34 posted on 02/01/2011 11:57:06 PM PST by Dick Holmes
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Licensing of drivers and pilots is within Constitutional requirements. In a situation where one citizen could jeopardize the safety of others, there should be safeguards.Now, where the government forces someone to protect themselves such as wear a seatbelt, is not Constitutional as one's person is one's own responsibility and should not be infringed upon.
36 posted on 02/02/2011 12:11:53 AM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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I took my son to get his learner’s permit - NYS.

He barely passed. The clerk asked him if he wanted to review the questions and answers to the ones he got wrong.

His answer: Nope.

He did not drive my car home. He did not drive any of my other cars until he passed MY exam (basic competency).

Then there’s my daughter. Called me the other day to tell me how much fun it was to drive in the snow (putting the car through its paces).

When I verbally cringed, she reminded me of how I taught her how cars performed in snow - skidding, doughnuts, powerbraking, you name it.

I made her do it all in training so she would understand and experience it.

What could I say ?


40 posted on 02/02/2011 12:55:05 AM PST by onona (I've played)
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