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Scrap AWACS, JSTARS; Plough Dough Into F-35, Wynne Says
DoD Buzz ^ | 1/31/2011 | Colin Clark

Posted on 01/31/2011 9:15:23 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Former Air Force Secretary Mike Wynne wants the Air Force to get rid of large surveillance and reconnasisance aircraft such as AWACS and JSTARS, which are vulnerable to attack because of their huge radar cross-sections, and take the money saved and shove it into the Joint Strike Fighter program.

Wynne made his arguments on the website Second Line of Defense, run by the international defense consultant Robbin Laird. I spoke with Wynne this morning. His essential argument is that large aircraft such as these, while possessing excellent capabilities, are so vulnerable in time of war that the enormous amounts of money spent paying the large crews needed to fly and maintain these systems would be better spent making F-35s into the flying intelligence and targeting networks that they are designed to be.

“The F-35s are far more survivable and therefore effective,” he said. Combine F-22s and F-35s with a capability like Gorgon Stare and you would have a difficult to beat combination of highly survivable intelligence gathering and offensive capabilities.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; awacs; f35; jsf; jstars; usaf
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

You are insisting on making no cuts, which means that you are insisting that our country go bankrupt and fail.

I therefor find you: unpatriotic.


21 posted on 01/31/2011 10:01:39 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: USNBandit

You have misrepresented my position. Shame on you.


22 posted on 01/31/2011 10:02:36 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Funny, I’ve never heard about an AWACS being taken down by the enemy. AWACS and JSTAR play a huge part in combat management. An F-35 can’t coordinate mid-air refueling, or identify enemy movement, or, I doubt, be able to determine what’s going on in the air and on the ground over an expanded surface of Earth. I once saw a graphic taken by JSTAR at night during the early part of the first Iraqi war. JSTAR lit up everything moving. Thousands of Iraqis and equipment were headed north, away from Kuwait. Cool pict.


23 posted on 01/31/2011 10:02:48 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: Southack

Constitutionally, I am in the clear. Remember Article One Section 8


24 posted on 01/31/2011 10:03:26 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: Southack

If you do not have a Constitution book I suggest to get one.


25 posted on 01/31/2011 10:04:51 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

If overspending bankrupts our nation, then you will have no Constitution.

I suggest instead that we *keep* our Constitution.


26 posted on 01/31/2011 10:06:14 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

That what I am doing. I am doing what Article 1 Section 8 says.


27 posted on 01/31/2011 10:07:41 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Nope. What you are doing is encouraging the very overspending that could bankrupt our nation and terminate our Constitution.

You to instead choose. You must prioritize. Pick the best, cut the rest.

Failure to man up will result in lots of dead men.


28 posted on 01/31/2011 10:09:46 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: USNBandit
Their replacement needs to be able to penetrate sophisticated air defenses.

But is that the F-35? Not "well it is the best choice of our new aircraft". That will be meaningless in 5-10 years.
29 posted on 01/31/2011 10:10:38 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Southack

I am choosing to give our men and women the technology to go into battle and win. You by cutting the defense budget is emasculating them. And you call yourself a freeper.You should hand in your Freeper card.


30 posted on 01/31/2011 10:15:08 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: USNBandit
He has a UCAV fetish. Pilots are reeeeeeedundant too.

Not Buff pilots.

31 posted on 01/31/2011 10:15:19 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

You do not have the ability to prioritize, and it is the failure to prioritize that has failed many government.

Save the best platforms; cut the rest. That means prioritizing cuts.

Otherwise, we go bankrupt and get NO WEAPONS at all.

Game Over.


32 posted on 01/31/2011 10:17:19 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I don’t talk to you anymore. You want to cut our men and women’s ability to fight. Shame on you and hand in your Freeper card because you are not acting like one.


33 posted on 01/31/2011 10:19:26 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Why do you keep saying that you want the U.S. to overspend until we are bankrupt and cease to exist?

You seem very unpatriotic.


34 posted on 01/31/2011 10:20:49 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld; Southack; USNBandit

Southack: “You are insisting on making no cuts [in military], which means that you are insisting that our country go bankrupt and fail. I therefor find you: unpatriotic.”


This “which means” and “therefor” doesn’t make sense.


35 posted on 01/31/2011 10:20:55 PM PST by RCFlyer
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To: Southack

I said that I do not want to talk to you. You’re traitorous talk should be ended


36 posted on 01/31/2011 10:22:27 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: RCFlyer

Of course it makes sense. When Spain ran out of money, the Spanish Empire collapsed.

When the CCCP ran out of money, the Soviet Union collapsed.

If the U.S. runs out of money due to overspending, then we will collapse.

So the patriotic answer is to cut spending where it can be cut. Redundant weapons platforms are no longer affordable.

Live within our means.


37 posted on 01/31/2011 10:24:04 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

You keep saying that you want the U.S. to spend itself into oblivion.

I find your attitude unpatriotic.


38 posted on 01/31/2011 10:25:05 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Article 1 Section 8

You have a seditious talk. I follow the US Constitution.


39 posted on 01/31/2011 10:30:00 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

too bad... sometimes you get a looney who spoils your thread... hope to see another of yours later.


40 posted on 01/31/2011 10:30:00 PM PST by RCFlyer
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