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Scrap AWACS, JSTARS; Plough Dough Into F-35, Wynne Says
DoD Buzz ^ | 1/31/2011 | Colin Clark

Posted on 01/31/2011 9:15:23 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Former Air Force Secretary Mike Wynne wants the Air Force to get rid of large surveillance and reconnasisance aircraft such as AWACS and JSTARS, which are vulnerable to attack because of their huge radar cross-sections, and take the money saved and shove it into the Joint Strike Fighter program.

Wynne made his arguments on the website Second Line of Defense, run by the international defense consultant Robbin Laird. I spoke with Wynne this morning. His essential argument is that large aircraft such as these, while possessing excellent capabilities, are so vulnerable in time of war that the enormous amounts of money spent paying the large crews needed to fly and maintain these systems would be better spent making F-35s into the flying intelligence and targeting networks that they are designed to be.

“The F-35s are far more survivable and therefore effective,” he said. Combine F-22s and F-35s with a capability like Gorgon Stare and you would have a difficult to beat combination of highly survivable intelligence gathering and offensive capabilities.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; awacs; f35; jsf; jstars; usaf
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1 posted on 01/31/2011 9:15:29 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

F-35 is redundant. Kill it.


2 posted on 01/31/2011 9:17:29 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The last Air Force secretary and Air Force Chief of Staff were fired on the same day, a historic first.

Putting all of one’s eggs into one basket is strategically questionable.

Pair down the program, stretch it out, phase out JSTARS and keep AWACS. You’re going to need it against China one day.


3 posted on 01/31/2011 9:19:11 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ping.


4 posted on 01/31/2011 9:19:47 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

What’s interesting is that this fighter’s production would be done in many different nations including TURKEY....Islamist Turkey. Hmmmm. Interesting. And troubling!


5 posted on 01/31/2011 9:20:55 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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To: Southack

Keep it and build the F-22. Have two planes in the USAF inventory. Each plane can have a specialized mission.


6 posted on 01/31/2011 9:21:36 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: Tea Party Reveler

Turkey was part of the developmental team of the F-35. Not including that they signed a Memorandum of Understanding to purchase planes. MoU are non binding though


7 posted on 01/31/2011 9:23:08 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: Southack

What other airplane does its mission?


8 posted on 01/31/2011 9:23:41 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

UCAVs. F-22’s. F-18’s. F-16’s. B-1’s. B-2’s. A-10’s.

The F-35 is redundant.


9 posted on 01/31/2011 9:31:19 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Sorry. Wrong answer. Can’t afford two. Pick one: F-22 or F-35.


10 posted on 01/31/2011 9:31:55 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

If the Navy has two classes of LCS ships.We cant afford two classes of LCS ships(independence Class and Freedom Class) but the Navy is going to get them. The USAF can have two steath planes. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.


11 posted on 01/31/2011 9:34:39 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Nope. Budgets are being cut. Failure to prioritize to the one best platform means a failure to manage resources, which means a failure overall.


12 posted on 01/31/2011 9:38:30 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
UCAV, not here yet, and the PID criteria for weapons employment will be difficult.

F-22. It takes a lot of 250 lb bombs to take out a hardened target, and we only bought 187 of the things

F-18 and F-16. They are being replaced by the F-35. 30 year old fighters aren't fun, I've tried that and it sucks.

B-1's not stealth. B-2's, there are only 20 of them

A-10's, unless you are going someplace where they don't have air defenses, I wouldn't take an A-10.

We have lots of aging fighters to replace. Their replacement needs to be able to penetrate sophisticated air defenses.

13 posted on 01/31/2011 9:39:44 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Southack

National Defense come first. If you want to cut start with the Department of Education, and other letter departments. I would never cut Defense. Its unpatriotic to cut National Defense.


14 posted on 01/31/2011 9:43:51 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Too bad. Everything is being cut, even the good stuff. Now you’ve got to choose.


15 posted on 01/31/2011 9:44:37 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: USNBandit

UCAVs are already in combat. The F-35 is reeeeeeeedundant.

Kill it.


16 posted on 01/31/2011 9:46:26 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Its unpatriotic to cut National Defense especially in time of war. Are you unpatriotic and leave men and women without technology that may save their lives?


17 posted on 01/31/2011 9:48:28 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

It’s unpatriotic to run out of government money, but that’s what bankrupted Spain and the CCCP.

What you’ve got to do is grow up and prioritize; that means that some good things get cut.

Choose wisely, as making no choice (e.g. “cut nothing!”) means failure of our country.

And that’s the most unpatriotic of all.


18 posted on 01/31/2011 9:50:45 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

He has a UCAV fetish. Pilots are reeeeeeedundant too.


19 posted on 01/31/2011 9:53:45 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Southack
National Defense is mentioned in the Constitution.National defense is the priority job of the national government. Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution lists 17 separate powers that are granted to the Congress. Six of those powers deal exclusively with the national defense.National defense is the only mandatory function of the national government.

Constitutionally, defense is priority one and every thing else takes a back seat
20 posted on 01/31/2011 9:56:14 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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