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Should Congress Raise the Debt Ceiling?(hint : 'We're broke')
Mises Institute ^ | January 27, 2011 | Robert P. Murphy

Posted on 01/30/2011 5:36:01 PM PST by sickoflibs

At current rates of spending, the federal government may bump up against its debt limit as early as March. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warns that it will be "catastrophic to the economy" if Congress doesn't increase Uncle Sam's credit limit. Writers in conservative outlets call for Republicans to use this opportunity to extract significant spending cuts before extending the limit. And some extreme libertarians argue that the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised, because a government default would be a good thing for the American people.

In this article I'll explain the basic situation and comment on each of these views.

Uncle Sam Has Painted Himself into a Corner Ever since 1917, Congress has allowed the Treasury the discretion to issue new debt (i.e., borrow money from other agencies or individuals). At that time, the thinking was that the executive branch needed the ability to make quick financing decisions to fund the war effort. However, Congress didn't want to completely cede its control of the purse strings, and so it set a cap on how much total debt the Treasury could owe at any given time.

After the first World War, the US government really did sharply slash spending, and in fact the Coolidge administrations retired a sizable portion of the debt. But ever since Herbert Hoover's fateful presidency, the federal debt has mushroomed, and the growth during our financial crisis has been breathtaking:

Currently the statutory debt ceiling is $14.294 trillion. As of January, the actual debt stood at slightly more than $14 trillion. At present rates of spending, and with projected revenues flowing into federal coffers, analysts estimate that the feds will hit their credit limit somewhere between late March to May.

Before continuing with the analysis, we should make an important distinction: The figures above refer to the "total federal debt," which includes "intragovernmental debt." However, when economists discuss things like a given country's "debt-to-GDP ratio," they use a smaller figure, counting only the "total debt held by the public." For the United States, this smaller figure (as of December) was $9.4 trillion, because $4.6 trillion of the debt was actually held by other government agencies such as Social Security.

Whether to include the "intragovernmental debt" in the total figure depends on the context, but to the extent that one doesn't view the Social Security "trust fund" as a genuine asset, then by consistency one also shouldn't get too worked up about the Treasury's obligations to the "trust fund." If the Treasury defaulted on that portion of the debt, what citizens lost in Social Security checks would be offset dollar-for-dollar by reductions in interest payments on the federal debt.

On the other hand, one could argue that there are important differences across individuals — some are counting on Social Security for their retirement, while others have large incomes and pay significant amounts to the IRS to service the federal debt. We shouldn't just lump everyone into a common pool of "citizens." (After all, it would be absurd to argue, "A federal default on all its debt would be a wash, because the group 'all Earthlings' would see counterbalancing gains and losses.")

But if we are going to insist that the Treasury securities held by the Social Security trust fund, and all other intragovernmental debt, are just as legitimate as the Treasury securities held by private investors, then we need to reckon the federal debt as 95 percent of GDP. This is much higher than the figure of about 64 percent that the press commonly reports (using the official third quarter 2010 rate). In other words, the only way to "save" Social Security and other cherished programs — by insisting that we treat their holdings of Treasury debt as legitimate assets — is to simultaneously make the "national debt" that much worse.

The Case for Hysteria

Naturally, Geithner and other spokespeople for the executive branch argue that the world will end if Congress doesn't give them permission to run up more red ink. In particular, they claim that without the ability to borrow from new lenders, the Treasury won't be able to meet its existing obligations, including interest and principal payments on already-existing debt. According to these warnings, it would devastate the world financial markets if the US Treasury defaulted, and so Congress should stop playing politics and raise the debt ceiling like adults.

If Default Is So Bad, Then Don't Default!

Even on their own terms, however, these warnings make a convenient leap from "no increase in the debt ceiling" to "Treasury default." As Michael Tanner points out,

If the debt ceiling is not increased, the Treasury can prioritize interest and debt payment to avoid a default and essentially put the government on a stringent pay-as-you-go basis. Would that involve extreme cuts in government spending? Certainly. But it could be done, if it had to.

Let's remember that the Treasury still rakes in quite a bit of money in revenues — it took in $604 billion (seasonally adjusted) in the third quarter of 2010. In FY 2010 the annual debt service was some $414 billion, working out to an average of about $104 billion per quarter. Although the numbers won't be quite the same going forward, the debt service will soak up only about one-sixth of the incoming revenues.

So there is plenty of cash flow for the Treasury to honor its existing debts, if a default would really be that catastrophic. Also keep in mind that even if the debt ceiling weren't increased, the Treasury could still roll over its debt as existing bonds matured. The only thing the Treasury couldn't do would be to issue more debt.

Maybe Default Wouldn't Be So Bad Anyway

Finally, why take it for granted that a Treasury default would be so awful? As Jeffrey Rogers Hummel argues, there is both a moral and an economic case to be made for repudiating Uncle Sam's debts:

The moral argument for repudiation is easiest to follow although by itself [it] says nothing about the practical results. Treasury securities represent a stream of future tax revenues, and investors have no more just claim to those returns than to any investment in a criminal enterprise. I favor total repudiation of all government debt for the same reason I favor abolition of slavery without compensation to slaveholders.

The economic argument depends on whether Ricardian Equivalence holds.[1] Repudiating government debt eliminates future tax liabilities. To the extent that people correctly anticipate those liabilities, the value of private assets (including human capital) should rise over the long run by the same amount that the value of government securities falls. Thus, people will gain or lose depending how closely their wealth is associated with the State. If on the other hand, people underestimate their future tax liabilities, they suffer from a fiscal or "bond illusion" in which Treasury securities make them feel wealthier than they actually are. Debt repudiation will bring their expectations into closer alignment with reality, which should increase saving.

When I survey students in my classes, most of them claim to have no realistic expectation that social security will be there for them when they retire. If they are being honest, and they act on this belief as they earn income, then Ricardian Equivalence should hold for those liabilities, making any default less painful.

Conclusion

Perhaps the strongest argument for not raising the debt ceiling is that the United States is bound to default — whether explicitly by reneging on payments, or implicitly by massive inflation — at some point anyway in the next decade or two. The government's own projections show the debt quickly rising to alarming levels under certain assumptions, and none of their models deals with the possibility of a continued depression and a collapsing dollar.

As others have noted, a firm debt ceiling would be a "balanced-budget amendment with teeth." Politicians notoriously cannot recommend particular budget cuts for fear of alienating powerful interest groups. But if the newly elected budget "hawks" really wanted to impress us, they could refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Then they and their colleagues would have no choice but to start slashing.


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The Peter Schiff/Austrian Economics ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)

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The Austrian School’s Commandments plus :From : link

1) You cannot spend your way out of a recession
2) You cannot regulate the economy into oblivion and expect it to function
3) You cannot tax people and businesses to the point of near slavery and expect them to keep producing
4) You cannot create an abundance of money out of thin air without making all that paper worthless
5) The government cannot make up for rising unemployment by just hiring all the out of work people to be bureaucrats or send them unemployment checks forever
6) You cannot live beyond your means indefinitely
7) The economy must actually produce something others are willing to buy
8) Every government bureaucrat should keep the following motto in mind when attempting to influence the economy: “First, do no harm!”
9) Central bank-supported fractional reserve banking is an economically distorting, ethically questionable activity. In particular, no government should ever do anything to save any bank from the full consequences of a bank run, no matter what the short-term consequences.
10) Gold is God’s money.

Add mine:

1) Businesses don't hire workers just because of demand for products or services, they hire because it makes them money. Sorry to have to state the obvious.
2) Government spending without taxing is still redistribution
3) Taking one man's money and giving it to another is not a job.
4) Paul Krugman and Bernake have been wrong about everything, as well as the other best and brightest Keynesian's who have been fixing our economy for over a decade.
5) Republicans in the minority (esp out of the White House) act like Republicans, in the majority they act like Democrats .

1 posted on 01/30/2011 5:36:05 PM PST by sickoflibs
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The Peter Schiff/Austrian Economics ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)
2 posted on 01/30/2011 5:39:04 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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Why not?

It is my opinion that things have gone so far that there isn't any way to peacefully 'go back'.

A collapse is unavoidable.

Prepare now.

3 posted on 01/30/2011 5:47:17 PM PST by blam
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To: sickoflibs

Got a little bit of inside info that Congress will raise the debt limit in exchange for something big like healthcare. More forthcoming in a couple of days.


4 posted on 01/30/2011 5:52:04 PM PST by WVNan
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To: sickoflibs

Sooner or later the economy will collapse.

We cannot continue to just raise the limit on our borrowing.

It will be terrible when it happens, but why leave it to our kids to take care of. We need to face the truth now.

It’s as good a time as any.


5 posted on 01/30/2011 5:57:38 PM PST by Venturer
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To: sickoflibs

Raise the debt ceiling, huh? How many American's who are behind on their mortgage and credit card payments can just go to the bank and raise their debt ceiling? None? The bank will tell that American to sell their house, cut up their credit cards, and get a night job. The same ought to be said of the government. They're no better than we are, and should in fact be held to an even higher standard. How about spend less and borrow no more instead?


6 posted on 01/30/2011 5:59:24 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: sickoflibs
US Continues Deficit Spending With No End in Sight
7 posted on 01/30/2011 6:00:22 PM PST by blam
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To: so_real
" The same ought to be said of the government."

Well...how will they buy votes and pay off all the labor unions and their pensions?

8 posted on 01/30/2011 6:05:10 PM PST by blam
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Raise the debt ceiling, huh? How many American's who are behind on their mortgage and credit card payments can just go to the bank and raise their debt ceiling? None?

It would cool to see the response when retired Veterans and Social Security recipriants no longer get their checks.

9 posted on 01/30/2011 6:08:11 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: sickoflibs
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warns that it will be "catastrophic to the economy" if Congress doesn't increase Uncle Sam's credit limit.

Catastrophic to the economy? Not even close. Catastrophic to the Democrat's hold on power? Yes.

SHUT IT DOWN !!!

10 posted on 01/30/2011 6:08:23 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: sickoflibs

This is where having so many media outlets, the Left still has a great advantage in any confrontation between the GOP and Democrats.


11 posted on 01/30/2011 7:29:52 PM PST by winner3000
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To: sickoflibs

Why even bother to have a debt ceiling anymore it’s become a bad joke. Same old thing time after time then they cut some deals and raise it. The Feds made it easier then ever by monetizing the debt and we all know or should know in a quid pro quo the Fed gets to prop up the stock markets. The longer they pretend just makes the coming collapse so much worse.


12 posted on 01/30/2011 7:38:42 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori">)
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To: sickoflibs
At this point... I'm not sure it even matters anymore. They have printed more money than anyone can count in a lifetime. Best to git preparin’ for rough times!
13 posted on 01/30/2011 9:07:34 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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I would be in favor of a one-time, limited, raising of the debt ceiling in return for permanent cuts to entitlement programs, targeting benefits for those more likely to be able to take care of themselves, including those that pamper politicians, bureaucrats and possibly some high up in the military.

It's time for the government to go on a crash diet before the economy of the country it's supposed to serve crashes.

It should last only so long as it may take to pass the legislation to cut entitlements, say six months or less, and if that doesn't happen, let the chips fall where they may.

It's worth a try to avoid collapse and warn the American people of what's imminent as a political row of this magnitude would be very public and heated.

14 posted on 01/30/2011 9:25:20 PM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: sickoflibs

YES. Because we have no plan to cut 40% of our spending right now. Can we cut Social Security pensions by 40%. Do we cut military pensions by 40%. We don’t have a plan yet, so we need to carry the debt a bit further while we work one out.


15 posted on 01/30/2011 9:34:50 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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Should Congress Raise the Debt Ceiling?

Isn't it time to quit calling something that mobile a "ceiling?"

Maybe call it the Debt Tent Flap.

16 posted on 01/30/2011 9:39:18 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: WVNan

>Got a little bit of inside info that Congress will raise the debt limit in exchange for something big like healthcare.<

Like a repeal of health care??

Might actually be worth it


17 posted on 01/30/2011 10:35:56 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz

Possibly. I can’t say much because I don’t know much yet. Just got a brief heads up at a social function from our T.E.A. leader. Tuesday evening we get a full report.


18 posted on 01/30/2011 10:46:02 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan

hit me with a ping or pm would you? I am really curious.
I mean it, it would almost be worth it.

They would raise the ceiling for a hell of a lot less. And in the long run, it would probably save money, not to mention lives.


19 posted on 01/30/2011 11:10:49 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: sickoflibs

The government cannot create jobs. Capitalism creates jobs. And corporations will operate out of the U.S. as long as regulations and corporate tax rates continue to keep operating costs sky high. With business growth in recession, Big Government is spending at record rates while tax revenues are way down. This causes a level of debt that puts the U.S. Dollar in jeopardy. There is a fear that U.S. policy will let the dollar value decline so the relative value of its debt is less. This will raise the price of oil because oil is priced in U.S. Dollars. All hell will break loose if the world ceases to use the U.S. Dollar as the value for their own currency.


20 posted on 01/30/2011 11:26:37 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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