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Judge Molloy wants to resolve question over wolves experimental status
KPAX/KAJ ^ | Jan 29, 2011 | Dennis Bragg

Posted on 01/29/2011 5:15:20 PM PST by george76

U.S. District Court Judge Donald Molloy is telling attorneys for environmental groups and wildlife management agencies to gather their data and help resolve whether gray wolves should still be an "experimental species" in the Northern Rockies.

When wolves were re-introduced in Central Idaho and Yellowstone Park in the mid-90s, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service had them designated as an "experimental, non-essential" species. That allowed scientists to work on re-building wolf populations and gauging their survival, but also answered ranchers' concerns by allowing wolves that preyed on livestock to be killed.

The question over whether the wolves are still "experimental" has never been completely resolved.

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TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: North Dakota; US: Washington; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; donaldmolloy; esa; graywolves; molloy; unagenda21; wildlife; wolves

1 posted on 01/29/2011 5:15:25 PM PST by george76
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To: jazusamo; Flycatcher; Inyo-Mono; GladesGuru; LucyT; Troublemaker; tubebender; SJackson; Myrddin; ...
Elk in the region have dropped about 70 percent total since the reintroduction of wolves to the area 16 years ago. Fish Wildlife and Parks Biologist, Karen Loveless says wolves are a major factor in the lower population...

the northern Yellowstone elk herd shows a 24 percent decrease in just one year.

2 posted on 01/29/2011 5:20:50 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Wolves prey on the Elks, who preys on the wolves... there’s the rub, no one does.


3 posted on 01/29/2011 5:26:59 PM PST by Recon Dad ( Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.” \)
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4 posted on 01/29/2011 5:35:26 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Recon Dad

Eventually, after easier prey is killed, wolves will kill each other


5 posted on 01/29/2011 5:36:24 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Thanks George.

Molloy is a fool and a thug, as you no doubt know.

He’s planning on assuming something like emeritus status, whereby his workload is lightened but he is still able to wreak havoc as he sees fit, and this latest wolf dictum is probably his attempt to enshrine his name in the Eco-
Terror Hall of Fame once and for all.

Good news is congressional Republicans in Idaho and Montana are sponsoring bills to address the wolf status and hunting season status legislatively.

Montana’s Rep. Rehberg has offered a bill that delists the wolf from endangered status and, if I understand it right, reverts the management authority to the states, not the g—d— EPA.

At the least it will force Montana’s punk butt-licking Democrat senators to face the music: Support the delisting or vote against it and lose their jobs.


6 posted on 01/29/2011 5:37:20 PM PST by dblup
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To: dblup

MT House voted Tuesday 99-1 urging the federal government to remove gray wolves from the Endangered Species List.

The resolution now goes to the Montana Senate for a vote.


7 posted on 01/29/2011 5:46:43 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Recon Dad

who preys on the wolves...

Hunters of course another endangered species on Government land.

Wolves were bad for live stock, bad for humans, and so they were eliminated. Stupid dreams of controlling them while allowing them to run free, is no more than a stupid dream. Elk are far more valuable I think than a wolf. You can eat elk.

Not sure what the solution for the wolf lovers is, but free ranging wolfs should not be allowed. The only reason I don’t feel the same about bears and Mountain lions, is they don’t run in packs.


8 posted on 01/29/2011 5:48:24 PM PST by wita
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To: george76

In the first place, Canadian grey wolves never lived in the Rockies. The small red wolf lived there. The Canadian grey were illegally introduced into the area by eco-fascists whose sole purpose was to destroy ranchers and their livelihood.

Everybody with a brain knows that.


9 posted on 01/29/2011 6:32:47 PM PST by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: george76

Well, we live with wolves all around us (I’m in the Alaskan Bush about 280 miles west of Fairbanks). I’m not going to be very popular saying this, but the decrease in elk and other large herbivores is probably a move towards a more natural number. Yes, of course you’ll get a ton of elk and deer once you remove all the predators. If you got rid of the cougars and bears, you’d be swimming in elk.

On other hand, I’ve seen what happens to the forest back east once you remove all the predators and let the deer population explode. The forest is eaten, literally, from the ground to the highest point that the deer can reach; there are no longer seedlings or underbrush; and the deer are like rats with hooves, and scrawny looking as well. Sure, that could be solved with lots of hunters culling the herd, but it’s not happening that way.

I’d say put a limited season on wolves to make them wary of humans, but keep enough to have some kind of impact on the elk and deer, too. Our wolves haven’t kept me from filling my freezer with moose every year. Sorry to be unpopular.


10 posted on 01/29/2011 11:07:05 PM PST by redpoll
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Did Alaska villagers have a recent problem hunting with low moose populations ?

Were the moose population then up after a brief wolf aerial hunting season ?


11 posted on 01/29/2011 11:22:40 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: wita

That was the point I was trying to make, unless man killed them they would kill with no downside to them.

The whole idea of introducing wolves anywhere is stupid, it’s like introducing Kudzu down south.


12 posted on 01/30/2011 3:43:26 AM PST by Recon Dad ( Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.” \)
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To: george76

Somehow I can’t come to grips with a species that could eat itself into extinction. Wolves would move to other food sources like cattle or other domestic animals which would bring them closer to man and man would cause their extinction.


13 posted on 01/30/2011 3:51:33 AM PST by Recon Dad ( Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.” \)
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To: redpoll

Well, we live with wolves all around us (I’m in the Alaskan Bush about 280 miles west of Fairbanks).

Yep, I’d call that smack dab in the middle of no where Alaska. Except for one thing, It its Ruby, you have a road, and a river.

Our wolves haven’t kept me from filling my freezer with moose every year. Sorry to be unpopular.

Not unpopular where I’m concerned, as previously stated Nature needs balance, and man is in charge, not the idiot environuts.

Back when I lived in Fairbanks, you needed a ton or two of equipment to bring in a moose. Airplane with tundra tires, Snow machine and sled, chain saw, gun, four wheel drive vehicle and trailer, winch, chain hoist, big freezer, and if you were stupid enough to kill one while the lakes were not yet frozen, and he died in the water, uh oh...

...and then some nautical stuff, like a boat and trailer.

Used to fly over your area back in the seventies when I was stationed at Eielson AFB. Never got a moose, but kind people were always sharing theirs. MMMMM MMMMM good.


14 posted on 01/30/2011 5:16:11 AM PST by wita
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I believe it would be way too much to hope for that enviro nazi Molloy would finally do the right thing by going against his enviro nazi buddies. To go against them he’d have to allow removing the wolf from the ESL and then allow the states to manage them and reduce their numbers considerably.

It would be a wonderful thing to see the enviro nazis go absolutely ballistic in the event Molloy has a relapse!


15 posted on 01/30/2011 9:48:54 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: wita

Hey Wita!

Sorry, it’s not Ruby. You get two more guesses! And we don’t have a road.

Sorry to hear about the tech-heavy hunting in Fairbanks. We get ours with a 17-foot Roughneck, a 50-horsepower Honda 4-stroke and my dad’s old M1 from World War II. Yeah, it’s a drag if it falls into the water. Hasn’t happened to me yet, but it does, I have a wench to pull it out. Hand-cranked. That ought to be a fun day in the woods.


16 posted on 01/30/2011 11:52:14 AM PST by redpoll
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