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Cold truths about electric cars' cold-weather shortcomings
Washington Post ^ | January 28, 2011 | Charles Lane

Posted on 01/28/2011 8:25:48 AM PST by Second Amendment First

Count me among the many thousands of Washington area residents who spent Wednesday night stuck in traffic as a snowstorm sowed chaos all around us. Being car-bound in sub-freezing weather for six hours can make a guy think. I counted my blessings. The situation could have been worse, I realized: My fellow commuters and I could have been trying to make it home in electric cars, like the ones President Obama is constantly promoting, most recently in his State of the Union address.

It is a basic fact of physical science that batteries run down more quickly in cold weather than they do in warm weather, and the batteries employed by vehicles such as the Nissan Leaf or the Chevy Volt are no exception.

The exact loss of power these cars would suffer is a matter of debate, partly because no one has much real-world experience to draw on. But there would be some loss. Running the heater to stay warm, or the car radio to stay informed, would drain the battery further.

Here's how thecarelectric.com, a pro-electric Web site, candidly summarized the matter:

"All batteries deliver their power via a chemical reaction inside the battery that releases electrons. When the temperature drops the chemical reactions happen more slowly and the battery cannot produce the same current that it can at room temperature. A change of ten degrees can sap 50% of a battery's output. In some situations the chemical reactions will happen so slowly and give so little power that the battery will appear to be dead when in fact if it is warmed up it will go right back to normal output. . . .

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Perhaps it would help to put some solar shingles on the roof.
1 posted on 01/28/2011 8:25:51 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Sounds like a great time for a group hug


2 posted on 01/28/2011 8:27:40 AM PST by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin B)
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To: Second Amendment First

You clearly need high speed rail.


3 posted on 01/28/2011 8:30:04 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Second Amendment First

Volt BHO


4 posted on 01/28/2011 8:30:24 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Second Amendment First

Or stick a sail on the roof and use free wind power.


5 posted on 01/28/2011 8:31:00 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Second Amendment First
It is a basic fact of physical science that batteries run down more quickly in cold weather than they do in warm weather, and the batteries employed by vehicles such as the Nissan Leaf or the Chevy Volt are no exception...

A new word can be introduced for all the people who freeze to death in their electic cars when they cease working...

Voltsicles

6 posted on 01/28/2011 8:33:05 AM PST by Fedupwithit ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants" -Albert Camus)
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To: Second Amendment First

Well if the rest of the world isn’t going to let Americans have air conditioning, they probably aren’t going to let us drive in cold weather either. /s


7 posted on 01/28/2011 8:34:21 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Second Amendment First

if it is warmed up it will go right back to normal output. .

...Which might keep you warm and informed for maybe a couple of hours.

If God had meant for man to have electric cars he would not have provided oil in unlimited quantities.


8 posted on 01/28/2011 8:35:01 AM PST by wita
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To: Jeff Chandler

Can I ask a stupid question about electric cars?

Why do the batteries run out of juice so quickly?

In a gasoline powered car, the battery which starts the car is recharged when the engine is running. The engine generates power and recharges your battery as it’s running. Why couldn’t the same happen in an electric car? I’m always puzzled about how you have to recharge an electric car overnight and stories about only running 100 miles or so before you have to recharge.

I know it’s a stupid question, but, if electric car batteries could recharge as you drive the car, as the battery does in a gasoline powered car, a lot of big issues with electric cars would be solved right there.

Then again, it shows the limitations of technology, and that there’s still lots of work to be done with electric car technology.

And one key issue is: where are we going to generate the power needed to recharge millions of electric cars? As things stand right now, coal fired power plants are going to be the source of all of this new electricity. In the liberal zeal for a “pollution free” electric car, we may actually generate more pollutio as we generate more electricity to make it all work.


9 posted on 01/28/2011 8:37:06 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The Law of Conservation of Energy.


10 posted on 01/28/2011 8:40:35 AM PST by couch1971 (Stupid People shouldn't breed.)
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To: Second Amendment First

I have no idea what you all are talking about. With global warming we do NOT have to worry about cold weather. These cars should work just fine.


11 posted on 01/28/2011 8:41:44 AM PST by all the best
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To: shadeaud

Thanks for making me laugh. Best post of day.


12 posted on 01/28/2011 8:43:00 AM PST by Padams
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The batteries that the writer is talking about is not the same as the battery in your gasoline-powered car, but the battery packs that provide all of the energy to the electric motors. These are much larger, and (in a purely electric car) are standalone, in that there is no other energy source w/in the car that can charge them. To charge a battery off of another battery would be a waste.

The batteries in your gasoline-powered cars are considerably smaller, and are recharged via the alternator, which converts the mechanical energy of the engine to electrical power. But ultimately, the source of all energy for these cars is the gasoline itself.

Not so in an electric car.


13 posted on 01/28/2011 8:43:13 AM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: couch1971

obammy should start pushing the perpetual motion machine as the next big thing to save America.


14 posted on 01/28/2011 8:43:38 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Dilbert San Diego
...but, if electric car batteries could recharge as you drive the car, as the battery does in a gasoline powered car, a lot of big issues with electric cars would be solved right there.

Yes, and then you'd finally obtain the worlds first perpetual motion patent.

15 posted on 01/28/2011 8:44:49 AM PST by Obadiah (Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen. He was #1.)
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To: Second Amendment First

The truth is, electric cars are for the rich and privileged, with guilty consciences.

The are very expensive to buy, and they are expensive to maintain. And no one but a jackass would choose to drive one as his only car.

Basically, they are spare cars, which can be used on a nice day to drive down to the corner market or commute to your job or train station if it is close by. But you wouldn’t use it in cold weather, or for a long trip, where it might break down or run out along the way.

Typically, a rich family might buy a Chevy Volt as their third or fourth car, to show off to their neighbors and prove their green credentials.


16 posted on 01/28/2011 8:45:20 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That’s what hybrids do. The big problem is you’re basically carrying around 2 engines, one of which (depending on which one is powering the vehicle) is pretty much always dead weight and wasted space.


17 posted on 01/28/2011 8:47:03 AM PST by discostu (this is definitely not my confused face)
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To: Cicero

Basically a glorified golf cart. I seem to recall some people were buying golf carts and getting an energy rebate that paid for the thing in full.


18 posted on 01/28/2011 8:47:56 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First
Last winter, there was a story about how the new LED traffic lights didn't generate enough heat to melt the snow off of them, and obscuring them from motorists. My comment at that time was that this should not be a problem since there wouldn't be much electric car traffic on cold days anyways...

Now if I could just find some way to turn prophecy into profit!

19 posted on 01/28/2011 8:49:00 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Second Amendment First

simple solution

keep the car plugged-in when not moving


20 posted on 01/28/2011 8:49:15 AM PST by Talf
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