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The Birther Trial Balloon
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| January 25, 2011
| Cindy Simpson
Posted on 01/25/2011 3:28:21 AM PST by Scanian
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To: SampleMan
No problem. I am not the spelling police. But I couldn’t resist this one, especially since obambi probably DOES dream of wearing tights and spinning into the arms of the Leading Man. Among his other hideous traits — commie, muzzie — I also suspect him of being a gay blade.
To: missnry
I think this “trick” explanation has been promulgated by media companies who gave it to their talkers as a ready-made excuse for not discussing 0’s eligibilty.
They have known all along that the issue is hyper-sensitive to 0 and they fear retaliation from agencies like the FCC or the IRS against media companies which decide to discuss it.
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posted on
01/25/2011 4:23:51 AM PST
by
Scanian
To: AlexW
Even if Obozo comes up with a REAL birth certificate, he will be castigated for dragging the country through a needless debate, then pulling an Aprils Fool joke.You can count on the RINOpublicans and the MSM to do just the opposite.
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posted on
01/25/2011 4:28:02 AM PST
by
Fresh Wind
(TOTUS knows how to give a speech. Obama knows how to read.)
To: wintertime
Well thought out article, the original post.
BUT ... Satan loves to confuse an issue with lies, so that you're either too scared to question an issue with all seriousness,
or can't separate the truth ... from the lies.
But, like Glenn says,
"Set REASON in her proper seat" and
"Question with BOLDNESS".
Here's what I have to add ...
Links for those of you in denial, or either too duped to accept the truth of THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF.
Let's examine
how Hawaii legally can issue bcs for those born out of stateand then hide this factby issuing a certificate stating BORN IN HAWAII OAHU HONOLULU"
I refer you to
Birth Certificate Vs. Certification Of Live Birth.
We just did a story bringing to light how
To say that we started a firestorm would be putting it mildly.
We had our fair share of rational responses,
as well as the usual off-topic comments, accusations of being right-wing nuts, etc.
As well as a few that were too obscene to put into print.
It turns out that our theorythat the document presented by Obama appears to be homemade has some support,
Our friend Pamela at Atlas Shrugs also presents a compelling case
And for you Obamanites
Pay close attention to the following Hawaiian legal statute:
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child,
the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health
that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii
had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health
in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate.
The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91
that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates
and to require any further information or proof of events
necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91.
Everybody get that?
As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records
and provide proof that they (the parents) are a legal resident of Hawaii,
the document is issued.
The child, on the other hand, could have been born in Hawaii, KENYA, or a back-alley in Budapest.
How much more proof do you disciples of the Messiah need before you will admit that there are legitimate reasons to demand answers on this issue?
Of course the fact that Obama may have been elected to our nation’s highest office in direct violation of the United States Constitutionis NOT something that would greatly trouble a dedicated Kool-Aid drinker.
But you STILL WON'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH that
Barack Hussein Obama II ...is ... THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF!!!
Here is some more information and links
and all of this without using the link to "the source of the "moderator-offending-video" by a group called The Council of Conservative Citizens.
This is NOT a Conservative group, do not be fooled by the name.
This group is a front group for a neo-Nazi group known as the National Alliance and is associated with Stormfront.
(But I don't see how those groups are MORE OFFENSIVE THAN the Marxists and Fascists in the White House.)
I have several witnesses,
that have proven to me that
Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kenya.
First witness, Barack Hussein Obama II himself:
Hmm…An AP story from 2004 entitled Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate has been discovered on archive.org by many sites (and twitter where I got this). Does this mean now that the AP is nothing but a bunch of birthers?
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations. ...
The above artice is also found at
FreedomsPhoenix.com.
They have a great spoof Birth Certificate you just gotta' see.
Also view the video at
Proof Obama Admits He Was Born In Kenya.
Second witnesses, his mother and father, indirectly through their divorce papers.
Ed Hale, aprivate investigator in Hawaii, has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obamas father and mother, which indicates they had one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya.
But a later Update 1/1/2009,... "In his 7:45pm Plains Radio broadcast, this last night, Ed Hale backed down from his prior assertion of having gained even uncertain information about the Barack Sr. / Stanley Ann divorce decree containing language referring to Barack Jr. as being born in Kenya. Instead, Hale referred to an apparently tricky recollection... of an ... referring to such a document's generally referring to the place of birth of the children of the divorced parents."
I believe that
"indeterminate person" probably SAW the
Obama Dunham Divorce Documents BEFORE Page 11 disappeared and
viewed the Kenyan Birth Cerfiticate, thereby telling Ed Hale
"the divorce decree for Barack Obamas father and mother, indicates they had 'one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya.' ".
The
Obama Dunham Divorce Documents are viewable at this location.
There's a great assumption of the time lime at at link.
See the whole Obama 1964 divorce on Scribd.com or as 13 individual images below (in proper order):
I immediately called the clerk in Hawaii and asked where the extra page was. She looked, and counted, and said that there must be some mistake in the records she counted only 13 pages that are available for reprint. I pointed out to her that the page count she sent skipped from page 10 to page 12 page 11 was missing. To that, she suggested that perhaps the pages were simply misnumbered before they where archived into the microfiche.
I accepted her answer, not thinking much about it at the time. Perhaps it was just a clerical error in the 1960s, when hand-filed paper records and IBM punch cards were how court documents were tracked and maintained.
I have since come to learn that Obama and his team of lawyers have been working to sanitize his records since he announced that he’d run for President circa November 2004. Now in the White House, hes still ACTIVELY blocking subpoenas for such documents as his Cambridge and Occidental College records TODAY the same type of documents promised to be made available during his campaign. Obama and his lawyers are exceedingly adept at exploiting loopholes in Hawaiian birth certificate law to keep Obamas past hidden from the American people.
This missing page page 11 very likely is a copy of the original birth certificate, based upon the prima facie timeline of the 1964 divorce. The Kenya birth certificate was likely requested on Jan 23, 1964 by either Judge King (to award custody on the next trial date), or recommended to Ann Dunham by her attorney for the ex parte divorce, where only one parent was expected to be present.
The missing page, 11, should be chronologically-numbered as all other pages were in the original docket file, by the court clerk at the time. Starting at page 8, Exhibit A is placed where it would have occurred by date in the paperwork (and appeared on microfiche), even denoting an erased, yet barely-readable “8″ on both pages of the returned notification sent to Obama SR. The missing page, numbered as page 11, would likely be a page that would have been admitted to the divorce file sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 almost as if it were an undocumented Exhibit B.
Heres a very plausible timeline merging the 1964 Obama Divorce papers and new Kenya birth certificate:
Jan 20 (Mon) divorce request is filed by Stanley Ann D. Obama
Jan 23 (Thur) divorce orders for trial are given by Judge King at chambers
(note if the judge, or Ann Dunhams attorney, told her to order the Kenya birth certificate, it would have been mailed 10,000 miles away, to the Coast Province Registrars office of the Republic of Kenya, likely arriving around the first week of February 1964 to be processed)
Jan 28 (Tue) Gail A. Watanabe, presumably an assistant of Ann Obama attorney George Kerr, mails the notification for trial to Obama SR (her affidavit is signed Feb 3 and filed)
Jan 30 (Thur) via Air Mail, notification of trial arrives at Obama SRs Cambridge, Mass, address. The 10-day “knock and nail” notification would have expired on Sun, Feb 9. Therefore, the next trial date would have been automatically set, per Judge Kings instructions, for the first Tuesday, 30 days later, on March 3
Feb 10 (Mon) allowing for a 10-day knock and nail notification for trial, Obama SR’s trial notification would have been retrieved by the US Post Office on this date, to be mailed back (as events turned out UNSIGNED by Obama SR) to Hawaii as an exhibit for trial
Feb 17 (Mon) the Obama Kenya birth certificate is signed by the Coast Province Deputy Registrar, to be mailed back to Hawaii for receipt by Ann Obama and/or her attorney (note: mail time would have ranged from a few days (Air Mail) to a couple of weeks (ship), arriving back in Hawaii in the last week of February to first week of March 3 (Tue). Based upon Judge Kings Jan 23 orders for the next trial date, “at 9:30 a.m. on the first Tuesday after thirty (30) days have elapsed from and after the date” that Obama SR would have been served with the notice of trial. That notification came back, unsigned, by Obama SR, so Anns attorneys surely requested, and received Default Judgment for the divorce in her favor for grievous mental suffering
Mar 5 (Thur) trial takes place in favor of divorce in Hawaii, placing custody of Obama JR to his mother by default (note: the trial was likely rescheduled 2 days after the automatically set date of Mar 3, possibly for the convenience of the judge and/or parties)
Mar 20 (Fri) the divorce decree is signed by Judge King
In Hawaii, birth certificates are not Public Record. If the Kenya birth certificate was a part of the divorce decree, it may have been pulled out at the end of the trial, or more recently by a watchful archivist or attorneys wishing to remove unfavorable information about Obama.
To date, despite other honest attempts to refute the Kenya birth certificate, such as dealing with when the Republic of Kenya came into existence as a republic have been un-bunked. Dishonest alterations of the Kenya birth certificate have been maliciously created by sites such as Democratic Underground, designed to discredit the Kenya birth certificate theyve been un-bunked as well.
Having not actually seeing the Kenya birth certificate, and its chain of evidence, no intellectually-honest person can say if its real or not. By the same token, none of us have seen or touched the short-form Certification of Live Birth that has appeared on Obamas Fight the Smears or FactCheck.org websites.
No one can confirm the chain of evidence of Obamas Certification of Live Birth that has appeared online, which is the abbreviated-version of Obamas true, 1961, original long-form(s) Certificate of Live Birth and associated vital statistics records. Even the Hawaii Department of Health directly refuses to verify Obamas online COLBs.
Third witness, is Barack Hussein Obama II's grandmother,
Sarah Hussein Obama:
View the video
Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II at Youtube.com.
Did Obama's grandmother say he was born in Kenya?The Oct. 16, 2008, telephone interview was conducted by American Christian minister Ron McRae, who describes himself in his affidavit as an overseer of the Anabaptist Churches in North America and a "Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery."
McRae, who called from Detroit, says Sarah Obama was in a public setting with several hundred people listening to the telephone call on a speakerphone. The interpreter was Vitalis Akech Ogombe, the community chairman of Sarah Obama's village of Nyang'oma Kogelo in Western Kenya, 30 miles west of the Lake Victoria-city of Kisumu.
"In the ensuing public conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, 'Were you present when your grandson was born in Kenya?'"
McRae testified in his sworn statement. "This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she replied, "Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born."
Watch and LISTEN to the video
BARACK OBAMA - BORN IN KENYA - The Documentary - STUNNING!and prove it to yourself.
Also watch
Affidavit and Tape-Proof Obama Born in Kenya.
The fourth witness, Tim Adams,"Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State."
(
It is now confirmed by Hawaii that Tim Adams did indeed work as a senior elections clerk in 2008)
Election official: I'd testify Obama not born in Hawaii
"The things I've said, I don't mind testifying in court," Tim Adams, the senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in the 2008 campaign, told WND in an exclusive interview.
"I was working there, and this is what it was. I'm not a lawyer, just a civil servant. I know what I know. I know what I was told by the hospitals and by my supervisors."
"There is no birth certificate," he said. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."
"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."
At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.
"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."
To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation Obama was born at its facility.
Adams, 45, stressed, "In my professional opinion, he definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."
WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.
"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.
Adams oversaw a group of 50 to 60 employees and was responsible for verifying the identity of voters, especially absentee voters.
"If you're working in the civil service and you say this, you're done," Adams said. "Don't expect to have a good career, especially since the governor is on the other side. Embarassing them is not good for your career."
The Fifth witness, Michelle Obama.
The Sixth Witness, Kenyan Ambassador Peter Ogego:
The Seventh Witness, James Orengo (the Kenyan Parliament Minister of Lands): The Eighth Witness, Lucas Daniel Smith,
Watch and learn.
(Just click on them for the source information.)
And finally, an outstanding video to watch,
Case CLOSED!!!
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posted on
01/25/2011 4:30:25 AM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die.)
To: wintertime
What you said!
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
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posted on
01/25/2011 4:31:04 AM PST
by
The Comedian
(Obama is just the cherry on top of the $hit sundae of fraud the democrats have become.)
To: 9YearLurker
There is an 800 pound rotting corpse of a gorilla sitting on the sofa in the American constitutional living room...and..you are essentially suggesting that Americans hold their noses and tiptoe around the stinking maggoty constitutional mess rather than clean it up.
Yeah! That will help strengthen the Constitution and rule of law. /s
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posted on
01/25/2011 4:31:46 AM PST
by
wintertime
(Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
To: wintertime
If you think going after him for it will keep him from being re-elected, I think you are delusional. The ideal is for the issue to build in the next 2 years so that it is apparent how real it is, but not yet culminated in any legal action. Let such culmination come after he is voted out of office or there is a real risk of only succeeding in getting him re-elected. (Talk about a real Constitutional crisis!)
To: AlexW; missnry
Oh, I agree that this is a no-win for Bambi - if he doesn’t have it, he has lied; and if he suddenly produces it and it has information that doesn’t fit his story, he has lied. The question, of course, is whether this will matter to anybody.
You may think that proof that Obama has lied or even proof that he is not consitutionally eligible is going to upset people, but I don’t think it will, or at any rate, not enough to derail his election bid.
So I think the Dems know this and are just testing their theory, getting it all out now because they know that Americans have a short memory. By the time 2012 rolls around, people will probably have decided that he lied and it doesn’t matter. Possibly, if it gets really bad and it turns out he was born elsewhere, SCOTUS will have ruled that since he has already been elected once, the constitutional rule does not apply or, as they did in Roe v Wade, that the Constitution has some kind of “penumbra” that permits a President not to be a natural born citizen.
But don’t expect any outrage. This trial balloon is just inoculation against the possibility of outrage.
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posted on
01/25/2011 4:51:21 AM PST
by
livius
To: 9YearLurker
If you think going after him for it will keep him from being re-elected,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is about defending the Constitution and the rule of law. It isn't about something so puny as formulating a strategy for the next election.
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posted on
01/25/2011 5:01:49 AM PST
by
wintertime
(Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
To: livius
Immigrants don’t have US based institutional birth certificates to produce. They have foreign based birth certificates.
Consequently, Obama can only show his Certificate of Naturalization to prove US citizenship. After Obama emigrated from Indonesia, he went through the naturalization process to become a naturalized US citizen.
Incidentally, John McCain does not have a US based institutional birth certificate, either. He’s a statutory citizen and uses a Certificate of Citizenship to prove his US Citizenship.
Obama has successfully navigated a convoluted system of proving US citizenship and evolved into a US native born person with a Certificate of Naturalization and no valid birth certificate from any US based institution.
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posted on
01/25/2011 5:01:59 AM PST
by
SvenMagnussen
(Everything you need to know is known unknowns)
To: Scanian
“there is no new evidence — just a story about a supposedly well-intentioned but bungling Hawaiian governor, prohibited from access to the certificate because of Hawaii’s privacy laws”
Nothing prohibited the governor from getting access to the original long form b/c was except the fact that it doesn’t exist.
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posted on
01/25/2011 5:04:14 AM PST
by
Helotes
To: wintertime
Okay: “keep him from being re-elected and see the Constitutional rule of law enforced”
To: 9YearLurker
The **best** strategy for winning elections ( on every level) is for true conservatives to stand up and defend the Constitution and the rule of law.
Simple!
That would have included impeaching and **convicting** Clinton. It means doing what is necessary to force Obama to prove his natural born citizenship, **now**!
The best strategy for winning elections is to work with the Tea Parties to get courageous and **true** conservatives ( with gonads bigger than dust mites) elected to every political position in U.S.
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posted on
01/25/2011 5:19:59 AM PST
by
wintertime
(Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
To: 9YearLurker
We The People should NOT ignore the Constitution.
It is a incredibly poor strategy, legal or otherwise, to spend MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars to hide a required common document from public view and repeatedly lie about it.
Further, it would be complete political folly to then reveal a LONG FORM of the Birth Certificate several years later, with the purpose of putting one over on The People or supposedly embarrassing political opponents for insisting on adherence to a Constitutional requirement.
Something about this whole thing has the foul stench of deception and at its very core, it is a Consitutional requirement.
The effects of uncovering this deception has the potential to undo every Bill and Executive Order that Obama has signed into law or regulation.
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posted on
01/25/2011 5:46:35 AM PST
by
pyx
(Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
To: Helotes
As if we are supposed to believe that any elected Democrat would be such a stickler about following rules and regulations(privacy laws).
They invariably abuse their authority but we are supposed to believe that Abercrombie is different.
And people wonder why many of us have doubts about Obama’s NBC status. The whole thing stinks out loud.
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posted on
01/25/2011 5:50:47 AM PST
by
Scanian
To: Scanian
I just don’t buy into the notion that the long form BC contains embarassing information and that is the reason for withholding it. The adoring throngs of 0bamunists would forgive the anointed one nearly anything... Spinning some embarassing information would take about an hour and the MSM would take it from there.
Nope...it’s not ‘embarassing info’ that is stopping this. It’s much more likely clear and distinct evidence that the man is NOT Constitutionally eligible to hold the office he currently occupies, IMO.
Clearly, there are far too many questions about this guy’s background and his personal history to simply let things drop. There is a valid Constitutional question remaining to be answered. To drop it, or to simply overlook it, is tantamount to caving in to the left’s belief that the foundational document of our Nation is a ‘living’ document meant to be interpreted differently in changing times.
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posted on
01/25/2011 6:32:18 AM PST
by
PubliusMM
(RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
To: SampleMan
Dream on.
"Conservative" lawmakers around the country have discovered a temporary bounce whenever they make an "eligibility law" proposal.
They never seeem to get around to making it on the floor of their legislature, much less drafting it and getting it through, and even less chance of getting it on the desk of a governor who will sign it.
Sound and fury, signifying nothing. No one in elected office dares challenge the regime. They risk pension loss, IRS investigation, etc. and they are not about to do THAT.
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posted on
01/25/2011 6:53:19 AM PST
by
Kenny Bunk
(Wanted: 1 Governor, 1 AG, to keep Obama off 1 state ballot in 2012.)
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posted on
01/25/2011 6:54:22 AM PST
by
zeugma
(Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
To: Scanian
39
posted on
01/25/2011 7:20:11 AM PST
by
Dryman
("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
To: samtheman
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