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I think you are right if (and one must concede that that is a big "if") he was born abroad he was not a citizen much less a natural born citizen because his mother was not old enough.

My belief on this matter is that there is a plausible scenario by which Obama could have been born abroad and certified as having been born in Hawaii upon the fraudulent application of his mother or grandmother under the laws that existed in the state of Hawaii. In fact, if he were born abroad and was not a citizen that would provide a great motivation in the Dunhams to find a quick and easy way to get a birth certificate and passport without the bother, expense and time delay of applying for citizenship for Barak which might consume some years.

However, it is necessary to say that there is no credible affirmative evidence whatsoever that Obama was born anywhere but in Hawaii and there is affirmative evidence that he was born in Hawaii.

But since the scenario exists, it is not a tinfoil position to question his eligibility for office. Our politicians and our talk show hosts ran from the subject and cowered in the dark because of Obama's race. One must recall that at the time of the campaign it was illegitimate even to use Obama's middle name for fear of being called a racist. So the issue is settled and sealed in concrete and it has become equivalent of being a Truther to even raise the issue.

There isn’t affirmative evidence that he was born in Hawaii. The HDOH has indirectly confirmed that Obama’s BC was amended in 2006, meaning that it is not legally valid. It has no probative value. If the HDOH has been accurate in their responses to me, that amendment was almost certainly to add a birth weight so the BC would be complete, which would also mean that his BC is about 45 years late - another reason for it to be legally invalid.

Neither Fukino, Okubo, nor ANYBODY has ever claimed that there even IS a legally-valid BC for Obama, much less that a legally-valid BC says he was born in Hawaii.

The HDOH’s official written responses to UIPA requests have revealed in at least 2 different ways that they knew the Factcheck COLB is a forgery. When asked if they would have a duty to report a known forgery to law enforcement, Okubo responded that she can’t disclose anything about a BC and OIP said (basically) maybe and maybe not.

So who knows what is the truth. Their statements don’t match the laws or each other. Discrepancies all over the place. Laws broken all over the place.

But if what the HDOH has said is true, they don’t have a legally-valid BC for Obama. And that should have resulted in a legal investigatio a long, long time ago.

It is my take on things, that people in the U. S. have been led to believe that we are far advanced over other nations. And in obvious ways, that’s a fact. In not so obvious ways, I think folks buy off on it across the board.

Did Kenya keep any records of births in the early 70s? That’s a very real possibility. Is there, or perhaps even was there a paper trail in Kenya? Has anyone actually looked? Could that paperwork have been destroyed, for a fee?

I’m by no means convinced that a paper trail didn’t exist at one point.

Obama’s grandma said she was present when he was born in Kenya. Some Kenyan authorities made statements that Obama was born in Kenya. There must have been ‘some basis’ for those comments. What did grandma have to gain? What did those authorities have to gain?

I find the whole issue to be rife with little gems that would shake my confidence greatly, if I truly believed he was born in the U. S.