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1 posted on 01/22/2011 8:06:36 AM PST by tobyhill
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“Another reason is that the bulbs are burning out faster than expected. “

Poor construction and cheap materials employed by Chinese manufacturers

AND

Too many and too frequent on-off cycles versus design specs.


NET: wait for LEDs to mature, THEN convert from incandescents.


2 posted on 01/22/2011 8:09:22 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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Is anyone but me stockpiling regular light bulbs?


3 posted on 01/22/2011 8:09:25 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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We change lightbulbs to use electricity. Then we make cars which use a million times more electric..

Can you say "We're just plain stupid?"

4 posted on 01/22/2011 8:09:47 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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The United Nations says..

So you know it's BS to start with.

6 posted on 01/22/2011 8:10:13 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA, You can't fix stupid...)
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Can anyone ell me if CFLs are available that emit natural spectrum, light?


7 posted on 01/22/2011 8:10:52 AM PST by nickcarraway
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Whoops...That would be

"We change lightbulbs to use LESS electricity".

8 posted on 01/22/2011 8:11:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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Ahhh, the UN (that great scientific bastion of deep thought and research) ‘says’ that GW is due to round lightbulbs.

People will not buy the curly-fries ones because they are butt-ugly and they have mercury in them. And because it is SO important to the nanny-state that we do. Well, those are my reasons. NEVER and NEVER. Come and make me. I’ll go to whale blubber first, you Commies.

haha.


11 posted on 01/22/2011 8:15:29 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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From the state of Maine and read by Mark Steyn when subbing for Rush:

What if I accidentally break a fluorescent lamp in my home?

The lamp contains a small amount of mercury, but you can clean this up yourself if you do the following:

Do not use a vacuum cleaner to clean up the breakage. This will spread the mercury vapor and dust throughout the area and could potentially contaminate the vacuum.

Keep people and pets away from the breakage area until the cleanup is complete.

Ventilate the area by opening windows, and leave the area for 15 minutes before returning to begin the cleanup. Mercury vapor levels will be lower by then.

For maximum protection and if you have them, wear rubber gloves to protect your hands from the sharp glass.

Carefully remove the larger pieces and place them in a secure closed container, preferably a glass container with a metal screw top lid and seal like a canning jar.

A glass jar with a good seal works best to contain any mercury vapors inside.

Next, begin collecting the smaller pieces and dust. You can use two stiff pieces of paper such as index cards or playing cards to scoop up pieces.

Pat the area with the sticky side of duct tape, packing tape or masking tape to pick up fine particles. Wipe the area with a wet wipe or damp paper towel to pick up even finer particles.

Put all waste and materials into the glass container, including all material used in the cleanup that may have been contaminated with mercury. Label the container as “Universal Waste - broken lamp.”

Remove the container with the breakage and cleanup materials from your home. This is particularly important if you do not have a glass container.

Continue ventilating the room for several hours.

Wash your hands and face.

Take the glass container with the waste material to a facility that accepts “universal waste” for recycling. To determine where your municipality has made arrangements for recycling of this type of waste, call your municipal office or go to MaineDEP.com, click on “ Fluorescent Light Bulb Information ” and look for the link to municipal collection sites

When a break happens on carpeting, homeowners may consider removing throw rugs or the area of carpet where the breakage occurred as a precaution, particularly if the rug is in an area frequented by infants, small children or pregnant women.

Finally, if the carpet is not removed, open the window to the room during the next several times you vacuum the carpet to provide good ventilation.

Other jars that can be made of glass and also work are pickle, peanut butter and applesauce jars. Not ideal but also a good choice for containing breakage is a heavy duty #2 plastic container with either a screw lid or push-on lid such as a joint compound bucket or certain kitty litter-type containers.

The next time you replace a lamp, consider putting a drop cloth on the floor so that any accidental breakage can be easily cleaned up. If consumers remain concerned regarding safety, they may consider not utilizing fluorescent lamps in situations where they could easily be broken. Consumers may also consider avoiding CFL usage in bedrooms or carpeted areas frequented by infants, small children, or pregnant women. Finally, consider not storing too many used/spent lamps before recycling as that may increase your chances of breakage. Don’t forget to properly recycle your used fluorescent bulbs so they don’t break and put mercury into our environment.

If the only suitable jar available has food in it, you may need to empty it into another container before using it.....DUH...Ya' THINK so ???????

Jars, Rubber Gloves, Playing Cards, Bucket, Labels, Plastic Container, Duct Tape, Drop Cloth, Vacuum or Discard the Carpet, Ventilate, on and on and on............

NOW COMPARE THIS WITH THE SIMPLE ONE-STEP INCANDESCENT CLEANUP: PICK UP ALL THE PIECES AND THROW THEM AWAY !!!

This is but ONE example of how liberals are ruining America. The nanny state leads to more bureaucratic statism.

13 posted on 01/22/2011 8:16:29 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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adoption of compact fluorescent lights could cut pollution.

Sweep the methyl mercury issue under the rug.

15 posted on 01/22/2011 8:17:21 AM PST by existtoexcel
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Saw phrases that pointed to “progressives”.

These were: “....experts...” and “...faster than expected...”

We must learn that there are no liberal experts - only liberal D students who have lots of self respect. (They don’t have Ds on their grade cards....but remember, no one gets less than a B now.)

Once you learn the above, you understand the “...faster than expected...” part.


20 posted on 01/22/2011 8:20:51 AM PST by Da Coyote
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Thank goodness the politicians know what’s best for us.


21 posted on 01/22/2011 8:21:45 AM PST by Brilliant
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I noticed in the store the other day - the package of toxic twisties that claims that the bulbs will last for eight years in large type on the front has fine print on the back which makes only a 4 year claim.

And I also noticed that the expensive LEDs that hyped how little power that they used make it very hard to find out how little light they put out. I figure a lot of folks are going to buy one of those expensive gadgets, be highly disappointed, and write them off.


26 posted on 01/22/2011 8:31:50 AM PST by PAR35
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Do folks see what many of us have been shouting to the rooftops about? These people are not “put on hold” nor stopped, nor defeated in the least. They continue to DICTATE how we should live every aspect of our lives. Their steamroller progresses unabated, crushing our (former) way of life.

For decades there has virtually been no push back of any magnitude against the green agenda, even today, large corporations continue to donate megabucks to their movement, including the petroleum industry. My guess is that they try to play nice-nice to stave off the inevitable, the destruction of their industry. So how’s that working out for you?? Notice the gas prices lately?

They run scared of these phony “scientist” who’s “science books” consists of slick magazines with beautiful photos with captions of lies and distortions, pushing their nihilistic agenda.

But the sheeple continue to nod their heads and follow the Pied Pipers of doom and gloom.


29 posted on 01/22/2011 8:33:34 AM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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I use the most energy saving device there is, the off switch.


34 posted on 01/22/2011 8:42:02 AM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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I think concerned citizens of California should band together in a joint EPA lawsuit over the disasterously potential harm that could be caused to the environment, public health and personal safety of children in California.

An enterprising coordinator (make that a conservative 'community organizer') can build a website, collect one dollar from California donators, and hire the biggest shyster class-action suit lawyer firm in the business. They can literally bring the state government and the federalis to their knees if they handle the case with these MERCURY BULB BOMBs properly.

35 posted on 01/22/2011 8:42:38 AM PST by Gaffer
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I don't hate CFLs. What I hate is government mandates to use them. But I buy them when I find them (subsidized) for about $1 each. I'm also getting one “free” every time I buy a $5.99 Domino's pizza. The way I see it I am paying for them through my taxes and electric bill so I may as well.

It is true in my experience, they don't last the 5-7 years advertised. Now, if you buy new fixtures that are made for the more expensive and better quality plug in CFLs, those last a very long time. I could not get an incandescent or a curly CFL to last more than 6 months in my weather exposed front porch light. I replaced it with a CFL fixture (with adjustable light and motion sensor and tube, less than $20). It has been going without any problems for almost ten years.

36 posted on 01/22/2011 8:43:13 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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For those of you who don't want to save money and energy, stock up on all the incandescent light bulbs you want to. I don't think they should have been outlawed, but CFL’s are great. The mercury issue is a red herring.

“In 1901, an American inventor named Peter Cooper Hewitt developed the first successful fluorescent light bulb. His invention closely resembled the bulb as we know it today, with a sealed tube filled with low-pressure mercury.”
http://www.ehow.com/about_5089197_history-fluorescent-lighting.html

Regular fluorescent tubes, that we all live with have almost
TEN times the mercury of CFL’s. Have we been worried about the mercury from these bulbs? Has there been a procedure for cleaning up after breaking one of these?

Take a deep breath ...... Don't let the MSM or Gubmint get you in a tizzy. Check into EVERYTHING. They are LYING to you about EVERYTHING. You are being manipulated. CFLs are a good thing. Inc. bulbs are fine if you like them burning out every week and you like to waste money and energy. This is America. You can make poor decisions if you want to.

37 posted on 01/22/2011 8:43:39 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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Besides putting out light, incandescents also put out heat,
which can make a bit of a difference when you live in the northeast during the winter months.
LED’s are a great light source and don’t have the potential safety problems associated with CFL’s.The only drawback to LED’s is that like CFL’s, they don’t produce much heat,which has caused some problems with outdoor applications such as traffic signals fitted with LED’s.
Snow and ice won’t melt like they do with incand. so the signal lights have to be re-fitted with heating elements to keep them from freezing.


43 posted on 01/22/2011 8:54:06 AM PST by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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When PG&E began its 2006-2008 program, it figured the useful life of each bulb would be 9.4 years. Now, with experience, it has cut the estimate to 6.3 years, which limits the energy savings. Turning them on and off a lot also appears to impair longevity.
Electronic parts essentially have a failure rate that is astronomical.
It's that pesky "turning them on and off" that wrecks havoc with the reliability.
50 posted on 01/22/2011 9:05:35 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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“Another reason is that the bulbs are burning out faster than expected.”

Less than three months ago, I replaced a burned out incandescent bulb with my first new “curly” GE bulb (not that I wanted to, but hey) in a lamp that I use only when needed, and not excessively by any means. The box says, “1 CFL lasts as long as 8 incandescent bulbs”.

The CFL bulb burned out two days ago.


55 posted on 01/22/2011 9:12:09 AM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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