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To: mnehring

I don’t consider myself a Birther, but it does make one wonder why producing the BC couldn’t be a simple matter.

It could be that if indeed he is legit, they don’t want to make it obvious....it could be by keeping it in doubt, it keeps the Birthers around, which they figure is good for Obama politically, because it helps them to portray Obama’s opponents as kooks.

So in essence, they would almost prefer to keep a shadow of doubt around the origin of Obama’s birth.


29 posted on 01/20/2011 7:45:52 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Me thinks Neil got a talking to by Obamas’ thugs.


34 posted on 01/20/2011 7:52:26 AM PST by freebird5850 (Nobody makes being dead more fun than Barack 0bama!)
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To: dfwgator
They're not playing some oh-so-clever game here. The guy in your White House - whoeever he is - doesn't have a legitimate B/C.
39 posted on 01/20/2011 7:55:42 AM PST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)
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To: dfwgator

So in essence, they would almost prefer to keep a shadow of doubt around the origin of Obama’s birth.


Not possible, the onion is being peeled away. Tears for his true believers will flow like rivers after a storm. Hawaii is at the epicenter of how this fraud got onto the state ballots in 2008. Don’t think that’s going to happen again unless people are willing to keep their eyes shut.

Pen Johannson has some update info at his blogsite

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/

SUMMARY

A comparison of the DNC’s OCON sent to Hawaii with the OCONs sent to every other state reveals a conspiracy to conceal Obama’s ineligibility. Notice the statement added to the Hawaiian document in order to make it compliant with HRS 11-113(c)(1)(B), after it was discovered the DEMOCRAT PARTY OF HAWAII refused to include the legally required language enabling Hawaii’s Chief Elections Officer to approve of Obama’s inclusion on the Hawaiian Presidential Ballot.

Hawaii Revised Statute HRS 11-113 (d) and (e), in collaboration with HRS 91, 92 and 3-170 creates a series of deadlines which enabled Obama with an opportunity to appear in Hawaii almost 45 days after the OCON controversy occurred, but on the exact day prior to the final deadline for inclusion on the Hawaiian presidential ballot. This time line was critical in creating the appearance that Obama’s only reason for visiting Hawaii more than three times in 4 months was for personal reasons.

Obama’s time in Hawaii from the afternoon of October 23rd through October 24th remains largely unnaccounted for, except for the brief time he spent with his sick grandmother.
Any conflict among party authorities over candidate eligibility allows the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer the autonomous choice whether or not to include the candidate on the ballot anyway, per HRS 11-113(b), which Cronin did, regardless if that candidate is proven eligible or not. Cronin is not obligated to verify eligibility per HRS 11-113.
This indicates a crime. If the original OCON had contained the amended statement prior to being signed, it would have been left in the body of the statement for ALL the OCONs received by all the states. There is no rational motive for the DNC to omit this statement post-signing because it only reinforces allegations by Obama and the DNC that he is eligible in every state. Which he is not, at least we know, in Hawaii. The fact that it only appears in Hawaii’s OCON indicates a cover-up.
The lack of a “RECEIVED DATE” stamp on the DNC’s Hawaiian OCON, which is present on other state’s version, also prevents an accurate determination of the latest possible date on which Cronin was able to schedule a CONTEST HEARING with Obama after finding Obama uncertified by the DPH. Obama would not have wanted to give the appearance of dealing with an ineligibility issue so close to the election, but he also would not want to allow anyone to know their was a legal problem with his inclusion on the ballot so near the date when Hawaii received the Certifications of Nomination there. Cronin was permitted to record his receipt of the OCON as late as Sept. 5, 2008, 60 days prior to the election, which would have allowed the hearing to begin sometime between October 10, 2008 and October 24, 2008, after exhausting the legally permitted time and personal allowances in the process for scheduling according to HRS 11-113(d) and (e).
Obama cancelled several campaign appointments, just weeks before the election, and suddenly traveled to Hawaii on October 23, 2008 without his family, to visit his ill grandmother.

HRS 92-5-8 affords the Hawaiian Elections Commission the permission to conduct private meetings with candidates when information contained in vital records protected under HRS 338-18 is to be considered.

Madelyn Dunham’s death was reported on November 3rd, 2008. It allegedly occurred at about 3:00 a.m. on November 2nd. No official medical documents, death certificate or coronor’s report of her passing has ever been publicly revealed..

This documented evidence, in coordination with actions by the Democrat party’s authorities and the actions of the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer in coordination with the provisions of Hawaiian election law and Obama’s behavior, in coordination with the events of the campaign, his personal life, and his lack of constitutional eligibility to be president all leave little doubt that the election of Obama occurred extralegally and outside the limits of constitutional legitimacy making him, at least, an unconstitutional president and, at most, an enemy usurper of American sovereignty.

By undermining the provisions of the constitution, Barack Obama has injured the American people by illegally circumventing their right to the protections against domestic threats and ineligible usurpation of their sovereign liberties, which include the right of trust and confidence in those presenting themselves as legitimate candidates for government office.

The fact that very specific, and rational questions remain unanswered about Obama’s past, including the actions by officials working within the government agencies of the State of Hawaii, reveals nothing less than a web of legally knitted deception in order to conceal the obviousness of Barack Obama complete lack of Constitutional standing to be President of the United States. As such, Obama’s entire Presidency has been built on an epic lie of such grand proportions no remedy remains except that which can only come from the common-men and descendants of our vintage American founders.


40 posted on 01/20/2011 7:57:07 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: dfwgator
It could be that if indeed he is legit, they don’t want to make it obvious....it could be by keeping it in doubt, it keeps the Birthers around, which they figure is good for Obama politically, because it helps them to portray Obama’s opponents as kooks.

That was my original thought, keep the opponents looking down rabbit holes. Also, there have been so many scammers and pranksters in this whole affair, it is almost impossible to wade through it to rational Constitutional discussions. Something Awful, Anonymous and Cracked all had games to see what kind of fake docs or stories they can dump into the mix and see how far it would go. Anonymous caled it the "IRL hacking opportunity of our lifetimes". I don't doubt for a moment that the Dems are playing these things up to their advantage.

BUT... as I said, not being able to find something that the SOS claimed just a couple of years ago she personally saw and put in a safe is really interesting.

44 posted on 01/20/2011 8:04:38 AM PST by mnehring
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To: dfwgator
It could be that if indeed he is legit, they don’t want to make it obvious....it could be by keeping it in doubt, it keeps the Birthers around, which they figure is good for Obama politically,

That would make sense except that too much was being done prior to the 2008 election to try to diffuse the natural born citizen question; including bringing up McCains birthplace in the congressional record.

Also, much was made of Obama's birhtplace being Kenya when he was running for Senator.

No, there really is something going on here, but they continue to keep the public confused to keep away from the real issue of natural born status. It has nothing to do with whether or not he was born in Hawaii

69 posted on 01/20/2011 8:44:30 AM PST by suijuris
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