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NY Times ^ | January 10, 2011 | BENEDICT CAREY

Posted on 01/15/2011 11:19:28 PM PST by neverdem

They should have seen it coming.

In recent weeks, editors at a respected psychology journal have been taking heat from fellow scientists for deciding to accept a research report that claims to show the existence of extrasensory perception.

The report, to be published this year in The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, is not likely to change many minds. And the scientific critiques of the research methods and data analysis of its author, Daryl J. Bem (and the peer reviewers who urged that his paper be accepted), are not winning over many hearts.

Yet the episode has inflamed one of the longest-running debates in science. For decades, some statisticians have argued that the standard technique used to analyze data in much of social science and medicine overstates many study findings — often by a lot. As a result, these experts say, the literature is littered with positive findings that do not pan out: “effective” therapies that are no better than a placebo; slight biases that do not affect behavior; brain-imaging correlations that are meaningless.

By incorporating statistical techniques that are now widely used in other sciences — genetics, economic modeling, even wildlife monitoring — social scientists can correct for such problems, saving themselves (and, ahem, science reporters) time, effort and embarrassment.

“I was delighted that this ESP paper was accepted in a mainstream science journal, because it brought this whole subject up again,” said James Berger, a statistician at Duke University. “I was on a mini-crusade about this 20 years ago and realized that I could devote my entire life to it and never make a dent in the problem.”

The statistical approach that has dominated the social sciences for almost a century is called significance testing. The idea is straightforward. A finding from any well-designed study — say...

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KEYWORDS: medicine; science; significance; statistics
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1 posted on 01/15/2011 11:19:32 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I knew the ‘memorial’ in Tuscon was going be a political rally long before the event.

See, ESP is real.


2 posted on 01/15/2011 11:33:22 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Islander7

Smack EMP and all will be good.


3 posted on 01/15/2011 11:34:18 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: neverdem

There’s a convention of ESP personalities next week.....


4 posted on 01/15/2011 11:35:28 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: neverdem; Quix

Without being able to posit a mechanism for the phenomena they are purporting to examine here, most “scientists” will not want to touch the matter with a ten foot pole.

I believe such an experiment will prove dangerous in more than one way — dangerous to the materialists’ point of view perhaps, but also dangerous to the participants who are probably dabbling in demonic phenomena. If the devils have decided they want to cooperate with “science” then we basically have magicians.


5 posted on 01/15/2011 11:45:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: neverdem; Islander7; Red Badger; HiTech RedNeck

You’ve just got to convince a few politicians that it’s in their interest to pretend it is real and worthwhile and bam! ESP as the new Global Warming.


6 posted on 01/15/2011 11:53:59 PM PST by sinanju
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To: neverdem; Islander7; Red Badger; HiTech RedNeck

Remember back in the day when the Russkies claimed that they were spending kajillions researching this stuff? They called it “parapsychology” and were perennially dropping hints that they were just a year or two away from acquiring “the power to cloud men’s minds” (cue “The Shadow” theme).

I think even “60 Minutes” did a show on that.

If magic were real then our world would resemble “Conan” or “The Lord of the Rings”. The Harry Potters would be ruling us.


7 posted on 01/15/2011 11:59:43 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju

The CIA blew millions on this too, including ‘research’ on LSD.


8 posted on 01/16/2011 12:02:54 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: sinanju

I remember Coast to Coast covering stuff like this years ago.


9 posted on 01/16/2011 12:03:44 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: neverdem

Just like Global Warming.


10 posted on 01/16/2011 12:07:04 AM PST by dila813
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To: sinanju

I believe that magic can be real, but that it is mediated by supernatural beings that have their own wills and which are often constrained by the Supreme Being (God). So nothing like science as we know it can grasp or grok the phenomenon, and would-be Harry Potters are going to be mostly disappointed or meet private disaster. It is a theological scale issue.


11 posted on 01/16/2011 12:08:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: sinanju

Magic, witchcraft, voodoo, hoodoo, etc. has always been around. The naive and ignorant are the greatest supporters of it. The bottom line is money and power. If you can make your enemies think you are powerful thru some trickery or hoax, then you have won half the battle...


12 posted on 01/16/2011 12:09:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

More than plausible, imho.


13 posted on 01/16/2011 12:10:17 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: neverdem

I see...I see...I see...A Frito under my desk.


14 posted on 01/16/2011 12:15:06 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: sinanju
The Harry Potters would be ruling us.

If that was the case, wouldn't the rulers disguise their magick?

15 posted on 01/16/2011 12:18:02 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: neverdem
I know ESP exists because you never see help wanted ads for all those psychic help lines. Each psychic line has to have enough people to answer all the phones 24/7. That's a LOT of psychics and their staff, but you never see help wanted ads for them.

They already know where those jobs are and just go there.

16 posted on 01/16/2011 12:32:22 AM PST by Dumpster Baby (Truth is called hate by those who hate the truth.)
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To: neverdem

There used to be a fellow on t.v. that was really good at reading minds. A typical conversation with someone in the audience would go like this:

Mind reader: I”m seeing someone with a brother that died recently. Is that you?

Sucker: I had an aunt that was sick about ten years ago.

M R: Your father was her brother, I just felt the word brother and had a chill.

Sucker: No, it was my mother’s sister.

M R: But she felt brotherly toward your father, you know I’m picking up the sound of an automobile, did she drive or was driven or once had an accident involving an automobile?

Sucker: Yes! Yes! Her car was keyed in the parking lot!

M R: Isn’t that truly amazing?!!!

Right. No secret was safe from this guy.


17 posted on 01/16/2011 12:57:23 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dumpster Baby

Plus they know what the caller is going to ask before they answer the call. Quite the time saver!


18 posted on 01/16/2011 12:59:27 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: neverdem

Baysian statistics is the language of hate and is the cause of much of the violence in the world today. /s


19 posted on 01/16/2011 1:22:49 AM PST by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: count-your-change

Here in central Illinois we had our very own “renowned” psychic. A local woman turned up missing and our psychic predicted that she would be found “where a 4 wheel drive could go”. The missing woman was eventually located in Texas, very much alive, where she had run off to on her own. Amazing perception by that psychic. A 4 wheel drive can indeed go to Texas!


20 posted on 01/16/2011 5:17:23 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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