Posted on 01/13/2011 9:40:28 PM PST by george76
Lawsuit looms over law to require thumbprint, restrict Internet and mail-order sales.
Right now, law enforcement officials have no idea who buys handgun ammunition in California or how much. That will change on Feb. 1, unless a court intervenes.
Under a new law, those buying handgun ammunition will have to provide dealers with a thumbprint, photo identification, address and birth date.
The thrust of the law is to make it easier for police to investigate or prevent gun crimes by tracking bullet purchases by those already barred from possessing guns, such as felons, those convicted of firearms-related misdemeanors or members of criminal street gangs under court injunction.
Also, Californians will no longer be allowed to receive handgun ammunition directly through the Internet or by mail order.
Dealers are wary of the new law, among the strictest of its kind in the nation.
“People will just buy it elsewhere,” said Marc Halcon, owner of the American Shooting Center in San Diego. “It just further enlarges our economic problems.”
Halcon, who is also president of the California Association of Firearms Retailers. said the law is riddled with flaws. He and other critics contend it violates Second Amendment gun rights, breaches federal interstate commerce laws and is too vague, making it difficult for vendors to comply.
“I don’t see any evidence where it will deter crime,”
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Yes, under this law it is.
Which see:
(a) “Handgun ammunition,” which does not include blanks and
ammunition designed and intended to be used in an “antique firearm”
as defined in Section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States
Code, meansany variety of ammunition in the following calibers,
notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles:
(1) .22 rimfire .
(2) .25.
(3) .32.
(4) .38.
(5) .9mm.
(6) .10mm.
(7) .40.
(8) .41.
(9) .44.
(10) .45.
(11) 5.7x28mm.
(12) .223.
(13)
(12) .357.
(14)
(13) .454.
(15)
(14) 5.56x45mm.
(16) 7.62x39.
(17)
(15) 7.63mm.
(18)
(16) 7.65mm.
(19) .50.
Every other lame ass attempt has failed and this law is identical to every other one which has been struck down.
Just gonna have to put up with it for a few months.
It’s no one’s business what I purchase.
Even if Police know how much anyone purchases it would do absolutely nothing to improve their ability to determine who shot the bullet or bullets, much less what gun it came from.
The first time I experienced that, I wuz quite surprised. Still keeping the Okies out I suppose.
The CA law is unconstitutional because it imposes an undue burden on the inter-state delivery services DHL, Fed-EX and UPS. The US Supreme Court struck down an analogous Maine law that prohibited the inter-state delivery of cigarettes in Rowe Vs New Hampshire Motor Transport.
The state cannot regulate inter-state activity and its also prohibited from doing that by the US Constitution. CA went too far and I expect the law to be voided by the courts.
Goes into a Ruger Mk II and above.
I think I had something like that until my canoe flipped over in Lake Superior. It's a shame.
Gov. Moonbeam started the “Agricultural Inspection Stations” last time he was in office during the Medfly Crisis he created.
So don’t put your ammo boxes in a hollowed-out watermelon. ;)
Damn shame how many of us clean guns while fishing and have that mishap.
Reason #5,233,998 that I would never move back to my childhood home. It was reasonably conservative, prosperous, clean and tranquil when I left. Now it’s the biggest sh*thole in America, as far as I’m concerned.
Ok. So then they did exactly what with this info?
It’s amazing this was passed into law.
1000 rounds of federal 22lr is about $38. 20k rounds would probably take up as much space as a typical modern home pc printer.
“Any firearm or rifle sold at FFL is FED registered”.
Not so, I am an FFL in NH, the FEDS don’t register long guns or pistols. The S/N remains on the 4473 and is not transmitted during the FBI background check. The 4473 is held by the dealer until he goes out of business.
You may be confused with some state law.
“Criminals will just buy it elsewhere. A useless law that impacts regular law-abiding folks.”
The way the ‘State’ and law enforcement look at it there are NO law-abiding folks just folks that haven’t been caught yet.
Make your own.
Ruger makes a .22 cal handgun that comes with two exchangeable cylinders. One or the other of them accepts the .22 Magnum load and the .22LR (long rifle) load. Answer is yes.
Really? What kind of rear-end suspension did that auto have anyway? Must have been some kind of custom leaf-spring and shock job! If not, they had to have been doing one long wheelie from Prescott all the way to Scottsdale. Would have liked to have seen that one.
This law is nothing more than a way to identify (for later confiscation of their guns) people who own unregistered guns.
It is a “back door” confiscation plan...nothing more.
I knew that the day would surely come that ammo purchases would be used to trace ownership of guns back to individuals who own guns purchased or obtained before the registration upon purchase was initiated.
Every gun I own was either purchased before gun control was even thought of and with a law such as this, the government will eventually know what caliber gun I have, where it is, and have the ability to seize it at will.
Where is the NRA on this?????? “Crickets chirping.....”
Hmmm...sounds like an opportunity to open an ammo store in Quartzsite AZ!
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