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The Real Cause of the Arizona Killings
American Thinker ^ | 1/11/2011 | Bernie Reeves

Posted on 01/11/2011 8:33:01 PM PST by Sioux-san

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Jimmuh signed into law the bill that emptied out the mental institutions, and then Reagan got blamed for all the Homeless out on the streets. Ahh, the twisted world of the Lefties.
1 posted on 01/11/2011 8:33:04 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san
Sometimes the last sentence or paragraph is the best.
 
And that is so true in this article...
 

But only a few will dare state the truth: these people need to be institutionalized.




2 posted on 01/11/2011 8:35:57 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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Jimmuh signed into law the bill that emptied out the mental institutions

And even invited Castro to send his nut cases and prison inmates to the U.S. by the boat loads.

3 posted on 01/11/2011 8:39:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: Sioux-san

Liberal mindset as manifested through Sheriff Dupnik’s lack of action caused the shootings.

Trigger was the hate filled vitriol of Hollywood Films and video games and the DNC’s leader , President bring a gun and start hand to hand combat - Obama.


4 posted on 01/11/2011 8:43:27 PM PST by NoLibZone (Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
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To: Graybeard58

Which also happened in the Mariel boatlift that Reagan got suckered into.


5 posted on 01/11/2011 8:44:39 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

The second-to-last sentence catches it for me. “Voices”.

The voices are those of demons.

The possessed should be restrained (institutionalized), or delivered.

Let those that have ears to hear, hear.


6 posted on 01/11/2011 8:46:16 PM PST by One Name
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To: NoLibZone

And that is why Dupnik is out there poisoning the water so that a jury will never be seated in that county. He sure doesn’t want anyone to hear his complicity in open court.


7 posted on 01/11/2011 8:47:41 PM PST by Sioux-san
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Actually, it wasn't Carter OR Reagan that started the ball rolling on emptying and/or closing mental institutions plus allowing mentals to refuse to be committed.

That consumate ass, Bill O'Weasely, tried to pin it all on Reagan on his show tonight. The Kraut quickly straightened him out with the information that it all started under JFK.

I just KNEW it would be a sob-sister Democrat regime making these fatal errors.

Leni

8 posted on 01/11/2011 8:49:00 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Sioux-san

I could write pages on how screwed up the mental health system is, almost did not too long ago, but who would read it? I have no Phd or any other title by my name; suffice to say there’s way too many sacred bleeding hearts letting folks go and there’s to many talking heads in high places that care more about their pensions, the “healing rates”( means people are gatting better so there’s HUGE pressure to chart as such, and more...but that’s it from me. keep your powder dry kids, it’ll only get worse. I’m optimistic about this.


9 posted on 01/11/2011 8:56:31 PM PST by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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To: Sioux-san

Wasn’t it a Supreme Court opinion that actually was the thing that opened up the mental institutions?


10 posted on 01/11/2011 8:57:12 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Sioux-san

The real cause of the Arizona murders is the culture that has been created in America due to the 60s cunter-culture and sexual revolution.

People are taught in this culture to deny virtue and God and to be free-spirits. They then go on to form perverted identities.

Our culture has no limits anymore in regars to virtue and morality. In our media the vilence is extreme, the sexual perversion is extreme, the attacks on morlaity are also extreme.

Many murderous killers such as this kid have even been telling us that themselves. Manson wore it on his sleeve. This kid seems to be similiar as well so far.


11 posted on 01/11/2011 9:04:37 PM PST by TheBigIf
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To: Sioux-san

I grew up in the ‘60s and ‘70s. My father worked in downtown DC, and we used to go downtown fairly regularly to pick him up after work.

In 1973 I went with him on a business trip once to Mexico City, and I recall being utterly shocked at seeing a homeless beggar there on the street. Why so shocked? I’d NEVER EVER seen anything like that in DC...

Now, after Carter, legions of intimidating beggars and crazy bums are scattered throughout the business and federal parts of the city...like every other American city. All in the name of “freedom” for schizophrenics, we allow insane people to rule the streets. Not only that, but instead of humane institutionalized care, we treat them like wild animals. RIDICULOUS!!!


12 posted on 01/11/2011 9:06:04 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: MinuteGal

Deinstitutionalization of the mental institutions started in the 1950s and picked up steam with the Kennedys who were heavy into “mental health” issues . New drugs made it possible to be in the community, with the proviso that you actually took your meds. Once the oversight from the institution was gone, some people just didn’t do it, and some of them went on to do some bad things. I am recalling that it wasn’t until the 1970s that the laws were changed to make it harder to have an involuntary commitment or to force someone to take the psychotropic drugs, and that is what this author was referring to - so if you don’t want to take the drugs, that should be your right, but then you need to go back into the institution for your & our protection.


13 posted on 01/11/2011 9:06:18 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

Interesting point.

I have never seen a Sheriff so intent on aiding the defense and tainting the jury pool.

He is working to throw the case.


14 posted on 01/11/2011 9:09:07 PM PST by NoLibZone (Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
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To: Sioux-san
Everyone knows that there is a high incidence of mental health problems amongst “street people” and the homeless for various reasons including political as stated in the article. I guess now we have to ask exactly what can/should be done? Mandatory mental health screening for everyone? If not then for whom? Who can have you committed and for what offenses if any? An offensive post on the internet, an argument with your wife? Can you be detained indefinitely for “observation”? Who decides what are the “danger signals” to prevent you from say purchasing a firearm even without a criminal record or history of mental health problems? It's the details of implementation that get messy.
15 posted on 01/11/2011 9:11:34 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: MinuteGal

It still was a bit of a cooperative effort by (crazy) civil-libertarians (as mentioned in the article) AND fiscal conservatives.

Since state mental hospitals are extremely expensive to the government, to bean-counters, just providing psychotropic wonder-drugs to the previously-institutionalized looked like a HUGE cost saver. Of course without serious supervision...the seriously mentally ill do NOT stay on their meds, and wind up on the streets (or being a direct danger to themselves and others...)...viola, the problem.


16 posted on 01/11/2011 9:13:41 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Responsibility2nd
But only a few will dare state the truth: these people need to be institutionalized.

I think given what the liberals have spewed in slander and lies over these past few days, that the mentally ill won't be who we know them to be. Healthcare reformation has place anyone in opposition to its (the gods of state) control and advisory panels as mentally unstable. This current bunch would institutionalize Sarah, Rush, and the rest of US that will not conform to their diagnosis. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

17 posted on 01/11/2011 9:14:06 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Ramius

I can’t find any evidence of that - there were class action lawsuits. It seems the whole impetus was to develop decent mental health services for the returning soldiers of WW2. The National Institute for Mental Health was formed in the late 1940s. I think it was the improved drugs that really paved the way for emptying out the big institutions. Mental health problems used to be the number one reason why people were hospitalized. Are we any less crazy now? I think not, and there’s way more of us now who need help but can’t or won’t get the help.


18 posted on 01/11/2011 9:15:21 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

A. F. Branco

19 posted on 01/11/2011 9:21:11 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: SpaceBar

You bring up excellent points. I would say that a psychiatrist would need to document treatment (necessity and duration) and that would be subject to review and financial oversight. It worries me that so many of the psychiatrists in our country are foreign and often don’t speak English well. Don’t want to sweep with a broad brush, but I saw this in the VA and in community hospitals and wonder how good the doctor-patient relationship is.


20 posted on 01/11/2011 9:28:26 PM PST by Sioux-san
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