FReeper Canteen ~ What Kind of Diner Food Are You? ~ 12 January 11

Serving The Best Troops and Veterans In The World !! | The Canteen Crew

[HiJinx]

Just take a garden hose to it, that’ll make it all go away...

Don’t forget to sprinkle some salt over the sidewalk when done!

[Darksheare]

“Dora’s Dunking Donuts. We’ll have you note, they float!”

*groan*

[sionnsar]

I wish I could hear you play. Did you have a teacher or were you self taught? How hard was it to learn to play them? I would love to buy some bagpipes some time but am not sure how hard they are to learn to play and what types are better than others.

I had teachers. You absolutely HAVE to have a teacher; there are subtleties to it that are at best difficult, if not impossible, to get from a book and there are mistakes a non-piper simply won't hear. I have never heard a self-taught piper that wasn't a bit of an embarrassment.

How hard? A lot of training required in some areas, others are easy. For one thing: 9 notes only, no sharps or flats. Now I'm talking the Great Highland Bagpipe here, not one of the dozens of other lesser-known varieties.

The areas of difficulty:

becoming quick with gracenotes,
getting the "ornamentation" (runs of gracenotes) right,
physical effort (about a month and you're past that -- left arm, lips and diaphragm),
bagpipe maintenance (with many plastic parts a lot easier today, though I like the tone of cane reeds better),
memorizing whole tunes (you never perform from sheet music),
dedication (pipes NEED to be played 1/2 hour every other day at worst, an hour a day is better -- with new materials this may have changed),
and tuning.

Tuning: a bagpipe has three single-reed (think clarinet) pipes and one double-reed (like oboe). Cane reeds are rather finicky, like herding cats, and take a lot of work to play stably. A long parade under a hot sun is guaranteed to have you a bit out of tune at the end.

In solo competition, before the piper plays his tune(s) he re-tunes his pipes, right in front of the judge. Twice in my competition career I struck up the pipes and they were in perfect tune -- something few pipers experience. I did that in my very first solo competition, in a hall filled with pipers who knew much than I -- believe me, they noticed! And my teacher was SO proud... but it was luck.

The first step is to find a teacher. Most pipe bands teach, and some solo pipers teach as well. Any piper should know who's teaching. (Good news is that pipe lessons tend to be much less expensive than other instruments.)

The teacher will guide you on the book to use, and on the purchase of a practice chanter, probably $40 - $100 today. (It is a small, quiet version of the pipe chanter.) Most students are ready for the pipes after 6 months to a year; that's a bigger investment, I am guessing $1000 to $2000 today. I don't know the best brands today.

If you learn from a band you will learn the band style -- precise timing, unison playing, marching, parades, parties, having the ladies admire you (if you're a guy), etc. It's a lot of fun.

A solo teacher may teach you a different style, more traditionally Gaelic, in which you throw away the rigid timing. The ONLY avenue for expression you have is in the timing: pitch and volume are fixed. I learned from solo teachers and usually got high marks for expression. It's surprising what a difference it makes -- a well-played "Lasan Phadruig Caogach" ("A Flame of Wrath") will send shivers down your spine. Especially when you know the story.

Oh yes. Music. There's the "ceol beag" (small music) you'll start out with: slow airs, marches, strathspeys, reels and jigs. You need a solo teacher to venture into the realm most pipers don't go, the "ceol mor" (great music -- the classical music of the pipes) a.k.a. piobaireachd (English: pibroch).

"A Flame of Wrath" is a piobaireachd; these are works of art featuring memorization (the longest go to 45 minutes or so), played strictly from memory (it's not as bad as it sounds), and the most complex ornamentation with runs of up to 13 gracenotes (with particular timing on each!).

I didn't get far into piobaireachd. I did have the somewhat basic but classic "The Desperate Battle" down when a family calamity pulled me away for several years. I was getting ready to take it up again when my job changed and I started being away a lot. I fear that when the travel ends my fingers may be too old and slow for piobaireachd.

Oh yes, you'll be around a bit of Gaelic terminology. But few pipers learn Gaelic -- it is not necessary at all. Still, it's sometimes nice to look at a title such as "Thug Mi Gaol" and know it's not about thugs and jails, but really says "Give Me Love." *\;^)

It's a long road and of every ten who pick up a practice chanter only one makes it to the pipes, but once you get there you've set off on a journey you could never imagine. You will come to have, as they quite literally say in Gaelic, "a piper in you" and later, such stories to tell.

Are you ready to start now? *\:^)

[sionnsar]

See what you started? *\;^)

[TASMANIANRED]

Hugs gal.. stay warm.

[MS.BEHAVIN]

I took this photo at a dedication on Veterans Day a few years ago.
Thought you might like the pic!

[sionnsar]

Looks good! Thanks.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

You absolutely HAVE to have a teacher

Ok. I thought it might be one of those types of instruments that really required a teacher. Thanks. :)

I have taught myself banjo, accordion, pennywhistle and etc. but I had an inkling that bagpipes are on a totally different level. But btw, do you think that experience playing pennywhistle would help me with bagpipes? I mean, are they the same fingering or not?

The areas of difficulty: becoming quick with grace notes,
getting the "ornamentation" (runs of grace notes) right,
physical effort (about a month and you're past that -- left arm, lips and diaphragm),
bagpipe maintenance (with many plastic parts a lot easier today, though I like the tone of cane reeds better),
memorizing whole tunes (you never perform from sheet music),
dedication (pipes NEED to be played 1/2 hour every other day at worst, an hour a day is better -- with new materials this may have changed),
and tuning.

I suppose the physical effort, the maintenance and the tuning would be the hardest for me. I already know how to do grace notes and I play 99% of my songs from memory.

A long parade under a hot sun is guaranteed to have you a bit out of tune at the end.

Funny. I had never really thought of bagpipes getting out of tune, but then again, I had never thought of pennywhistles getting out of tune either until my sister got adjustable ones that needed tuning.

pick up a practice chanter

Just curious, are those just to get the fingering right, or is there more to them?

Btw, thanks for telling me all this stuff. It is really good to know. :)

[fanfan]

No power?

*blech*

How are you feeling?

[Kathy in Alaska]

Royal Scots Dragoon Guard ~ The Green Hills of Tyrol

[Lady Jag]

Ms B,after 7 hours without electricity I posted about it and power went out again - for eight hours this time. Now I’m praying it will stay on for the night.

It’s been a tough storm, over 100k homes went without power when a main line went out.

Glad you didn’t go in to work. I hear a lot of people stayed off the road today.

[HUGS!!!}

[Lady Jag]

Fifteen hours of outages today, I hope the waterbed is up to temp.

[GodBlessUSA]

Hi (((Lady Jag)))

I did same as you....headed for bird feeders. You can hear them, they do appreciate it :)

Sorry you lost power. That is the worst. I have about the same amounts as what you posted. It's on top of what we already had too. It is a heavy snow to shovel.

[sionnsar]

But btw, do you think that experience playing pennywhistle would help me with bagpipes? I mean, are they the same fingering or not?

The fingering is definitely different, but having played a pennywhistle will get you off to a quicker start.

The practice chanter has two purposes: first, to teach you the fingering. But second, it's for... practice. As a rule you learn (and practice) tunes on the practice chanter. Every piper has one in his kit.

I also have a "practice goose": a practice chanter outfitted with a bag, but rarely used it.

[Lady Jag]

All you have to do is think of what it would be like to live outside in this weather and the birds get fed first in The AM. Anyway, I swear they scream at me for seed till I fix them up with it.

I went into the motorhome and had breakfast and coffee while hubby snowblowed the driveway and when the thrown snow hit the windshield it looked and sounded like snowballs.

Glad it's over and power is back because it is a beautiful day today!

Happy healthy New Year, God Bless USA.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Ok. Thanks for all the info, Sionnsar! :-D

[Lady Jag]

Use your leaf blower if it’s fluffy and make it snow all over again.

[Lady Jag]

I know you are but what am I?

[sionnsar]

‘Se do bheatha (you’re welcome)!

[AZamericonnie]

You are so sweet.....I haven’t ‘seen’ you in real time in ages either Beachie & I’m gonna have to do something about that!

I do hope you 2011 is heading in a good direction! *hugs*