Posted on 01/10/2011 10:22:46 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian
The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from a lawyer who has been in the forefront of the challenge to President Barack Obama's citizenship.
The high court on Monday did not comment in refusing to hear the appeal filed by California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz. She was contesting a $20,000 fine for filing what a federal judge determined was a frivolous lawsuit.
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Comedic gold. A very rich, and rare, vein.
Having said what I already have, it may surprise you that I agree with you here. I recognize what the Constitutional merits are here. Still, there are grave shortcomings to those Constitutional merits aren’t there. And this case is a case that reaveals the extreme nature of those shortcomings. On the one hand you have the real possiblity of having an illigitimate president. On the other you have the granting of power only to Congress, and it won’t get off it’s ass to do anything about this.
Here are two issues covered by the U. S. Constitution.
1. The president must be natural born.
2. Only Congress can remove
Congress couldn’t care less that issue one above may be in a failed state.
The Courts honor issue two religiously.
So we have one branch of government that may be fraudulent. We have another sticking to it’s guns on the matter of Issue 2, and another AWOL on both.
Let’s not forget that we presently have two branches of our government that very well could be in violation of Issue 1 listed above. Namely, the President remains in power even though he may be aware he is not qualified. Secondly, Congress has taken a pass on honoring their Constiututional duty, have made a granting of permission to break Issue 1 through default, and a failing to make sure the president does serve in accordance with the U. S. Constitution.
However, this matter has not been taken up by Congress in the two years since Obama was sworn in. What recourse is there for citizens? Neither party will touch it. So the possibility of us not having a legitimate head of state goes un-addressed.
Yep, you’ve laid it out very clearly. And about all you have proven, is that two years on, we may very well have a rogue president and there isn’t anything any citizen can do to get this addressed.
I recognize that we do not want every Tom, Dick, and Harriet suing the President of the United States for whatever reason they come up with, but on a matter of Constitutionality, namely, “Who is in control of our nuclear football, and is he a treasonous bastard or not?” this should be a question even one citizen could force an answer on.
If it’s a Constitutional matter, I should be able to file a grievance with my Representative that would cause an immediate review on Capital Hill. And if I am not satisfied with the evidence that is presented to me at the end of quick review, I should be able to force a more in depth review. All Constitutional grounds merits or requirements would HAVE TO BE MET.
Allowing a stonewalling of this for over two years makes this a banana republic. And right now, we have a president that is governing like a banana republic’s head of state.
More than 120 different judges and justices (counting multi-judge panels and the nine Supreme Court Justices) have had a chance to read legal briefs on this issue. Not one single judge has agreed with any plaintiff that Obama MIGHT possibly be ineligible.
As I already said, any prosecuting attorney in a state with a grand jury system could investigate this issue. None have.
Every serious constitutional challenge regarding the presidency over the last fifty years of American history has been investigated by a Grand Jury: Watergate, Iran-Contra, the Savings and Loan Scandal, Whitewater-Filegate-Travelgate-Vince Foster, the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit, Monica Lewinsky, and the CIA leaks-Valerie Plame-Scooter Libby affair, plus many others all warranted a Grand Jury investigation.
Any House of any state legislature where Obama’s name was on the ballot could investigate this issue. None have.
Any member of Congress could make a speech from the floor of the House or the Well of the Senate asking for a Special Counsel or a Congressional investigation. None have.
In my humble opinion, the reason that none of the actions listed above have occurred is because of the definitive statements of the REPUBLICAN administration in Hawaii that just left office and had control of Obama’s birth documents from February 10, 2007 when he announced that he was running for President until December 6, 2010 when that administration left office.
The two most definitive statements from Hawaii come from the Director of Health: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born American citizen.” July 27, 2009
And the statement of Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii: “You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was in the mainland campaigning for Senator McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again, I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the President was, in fact, born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by the people who continue this. It’s been established. He was born here.”—
Governor of Hawaii Linda Lingle, May 2, 2010
Now those two statements may not be definitive to you but they have definitely proven to be definitive to judges, justices and members of state legislatures and the US Congress.
Just last week: “The state of Hawaii says that the President was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—Representative John Boehner, Speaker of the House of Representatives
We likely have an ineligible usurper occupying the White House. How can we as citizens get this fairly and properly reviewed? Every avenue is blocked: the media ( conservative and Marxist), courts, legistures ( state and federal), and even our highest military officers have allowed their lower level officers to twist in the wind.
To often the Obots will post, “Well...To get rid of Obama...” This is NOT about getting rid of Obama. If the man is legitimately a natural born citizen he deserves his place in the White House.
However...What good are laws and degrees from prestigious law schools if, in the end, our Constitution is shredded and the rule of law disintegrates like used toilet paper?
We likely have an ineligible usurper occupying the White House. How can we as citizens get this fairly and properly reviewed? Every avenue is blocked: the media ( conservative and Marxist), courts, legislatures ( state and federal), and even our highest military officers have allowed their lower level officers to twist in the wind.
To often the Obots will post, “Well...To get rid of Obama...” This is NOT about getting rid of Obama. If the man is legitimately a natural born citizen he deserves his place in the White House.
However...What good are laws and degrees from prestigious law schools if, in the end, our Constitution is shredded and the rule of law disintegrates like used toilet paper?
That’s how I see it.
Yeah, but I’ve never been much of a fan of slapstick.
The Constitution only gives Congress the right to remove the president over high crimes and misdemeanors. Ineligibility for office wouldn’t fall under these categories unless Obama committed a crime in the process of declaring his eligibility. The judiciary still has the power to address questions arising under the Constitution. Addressing Obama’s eligibility does inherently mean removing him from office. Judge Carter made an excuse ... a poor excuse for not addressing the questions before his court.
Well....If it is soooooooooo plainly evident that Obama is a natural born citizen, he should promptly release **all** of the **best** evidence that would prove or disprove his natural born citizenship.
Obama does not because he can not!
jamese777...I suggest that you view the Yuri Bezmenov videos. Please remember that the very first people the communists lined up against the wall and shot were the Useful Idiots.
The American public deserves to KNOW with the **best** evidence, especially our military, that we have a natural born citizen sitting as president. Without a sound foundation of rule of law based upon our Constitution we edge closer and closer to the dystopia predicted by Yuri Bezmenov.
The Constitution allows for the vice president to assume the role of president when said has president has failed to qualify for the position. Said president can also voluntarily step down when it’s discovered he is not actually constitutionally eligible to hold the position he occupied. A court can address this issue without breaching the so-called political question doctrine.
Maybe you can explain why, in the process of campaigning for McCain in early October 2008, that Lingle did NOT have her health director release a public statement until Oct. 31, four days prior to the election. Lingle evidently didn't know anything about Obama's birth records during the time she was campaigning for McCain. Further, Lingle told a naughty, naughty lie, because the public statement on Oct. 31 did NOT say Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital NOR did it even say Obama was born in Hawaii. Why do you keep spreading this thoroughly debunked falsehood??
On nearly **every** thread you post the same carefully masturbated verbal drivel from Lingle and Fukino.
Well....If it is soooooooooo plainly evident that Obama is a natural born citizen, he should promptly release **all** of the **best** evidence that would prove or disprove his natural born citizenship.
Obama does not because he can not!
jamese777...I suggest that you view the Yuri Bezmenov videos. Please remember that the very first people the communists lined up against the wall and shot were the Useful Idiots.
The American public deserves to KNOW with the **best** evidence, especially our military, that we have a natural born citizen sitting as president. Without a sound foundation of rule of law based upon our Constitution we edge closer and closer to the dystopia predicted by Yuri Bezmenov.
Every American citizen who is eligible to vote will have the opportunity to remove Barack Obama from the presidency in November, 2012.
If you need him removed sooner, I suggest that Congress is the appropriate vehicle.
Obama doesn’t need to prove his eligibility after the fact. You see, he got 69,458,897 popular votes and 365 Electoral College votes and was sworn in by the Chief Justice. “Possession is [still]9/10ths of the law.”
Take a deep breath and consider: Do you really think that every single member of the 16 national security and intelligence agencies that compose the Intelligence Community of our nation would allow an ineligible president to have the launch codes to every nuclear warhead in the American arsenal. Every bit of information proving Obama to be ineligible would have been leaked years ago.
Get real.
He does not do this, because he very likely can NOT.
And...AGAIN...for the umpteenth time! This is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT about removing Obama. If the man is a natural born citizen he DESERVES to be in the White House!
This **IS** about the Constitution and the Rule of Law! We need both because we literally have millions upon millions of corpses in the last 100 years to testify of the mayhem that comes from lacking the foundations of constitutionally based rule of law!
As for the commie card:
The victims of communism and their families are not laughing. ( Just ask the victims of Obama’s friend, Bill Ayers.)
Maybe you can explain why, in the process of campaigning for McCain in early October 2008, that Lingle did NOT have her health director release a public statement until Oct. 31, four days prior to the election. Lingle evidently didn’t know anything about Obama’s birth records during the time she was campaigning for McCain. Further, Lingle told a naughty, naughty lie, because the public statement on Oct. 31 did NOT say Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital NOR did it even say Obama was born in Hawaii. Why do you keep spreading this thoroughly debunked falsehood??
If it were soooooo straight forward, it would be an easy matter for Obama to **promptly** prove with the **best** evidence that he is a natural born citizen.
He does not do this, because he very likely can NOT.
And...AGAIN...for the umpteenth time! This is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT about removing Obama. If the man is a natural born citizen he DESERVES to be in the White House!
This **IS** about the Constitution and the Rule of Law! We need both because we literally have millions upon millions of corpses in the last 100 years to testify of the mayhem that comes from lacking the foundations of constitutionally based rule of law!
As for the commie card:
The victims of communism and their families are not laughing. ( Just ask the victims of Obama’s friend, Bill Ayers.)
Judge David O. Carter ruled in Obama’s favor on his eligibility and he won the Bronze Star with the V device for Valor for killing communists at the Battle of Khe Sahn in Vietnam.
Colonel Gordon Ray “Bird Dog” Roberts testified against Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin at his Obama eligibility Court Martial and Colonel Roberts is one of only two active duty Medal of Honor winners. Colonel Roberts won the Medal Of Honor for killing communists in Vietnam.
His two older brothers were already in the Navy when Gordon Roberts enlisted in the Army three days after graduating from high school in 1968. He became part of the 101st Airborne, the same unit his father had served in during World War II.
Specialist Fourth Class Roberts arrived in Vietnam in May 1969, and a few days later found himself in the middle of the battle for Hamburger Hill, a week-and-a-half-long battle with North Vietnamese Army troops in the A Shau Valley. For the next several weeks, his battalion attempted to block the enemy’s main resupply route from Laos.
At midday on July 11, Roberts heard the sound of heavy fighting about three and a half miles away, where another U.S. infantry company, badly outnumbered, had lost its battalion commander and was surrounded by the NVA. Roberts’s company boarded helicopters and went to relieve them.
After landing, Roberts’s platoon was maneuvering along a ridgeline to attack the heavily fortified enemy position that had the American company pinned down. Suddenly, the platoon was hit by fire coming from camouflaged North Vietnamese bunkers on a hill overlooking them. Roberts dived for cover with the rest of the men, but then, seeing that the platoon was likely to take serious casualties, he got to his feet and charged the closest enemy position, firing as he ran. He killed the two North Vietnamese manning the gun, then continued on to a second bunker. When a machine-gun round knocked his weapon from his hands, he grabbed another rifle from the ground, took out the second bunker, and destroyed a third with grenades.
As he charged a fourth enemy position, Roberts was now in a no-man’s-land, cut off from the rest of his platoon. With shells snapping past him, he fought his way to the company his unit had been trying to relieve when attacked. There he worked to move wounded GIs from exposed positions to an evacuation area, later returning to his own unit.
Roberts was back home, stationed at Fort Meade early in 1971, when he was informed that he was to receive the Medal of Honor. With his family looking on, he was presented with the medal by President Richard Nixon on March 2, 1971.
Three weeks later, Roberts was discharged from the Army. He graduated from college and pursued a career in social work for eighteen years; during that time he joined the National Guard and became an officer. He decided to go back on active duty in 1991 and served a tour of duty in Iraq in 2005 as the commander of a logistics battalion.
Colonel Roberts was Lieutenant Colonel Lakin’s commanding officer at Walter Reed Medical Center when Lakin decided to disobey a direct order from Colonel Roberts to report to his office.
If this is as clear cut as you say, then Obama should promptly prove with **all** of the **best** evidence that he is a natural born citizen.
Obama likely does not because he can NOT!
It really is that simple!
Why should he bother presenting additional “evidence” to people who clearly won't accept his legitimacy no matter what?
It really is simple!
If it is sooooooooo clear that Obama is a natural born citizen then where is **all** of the **best** evidence that would prove or disprove his natural born status?
Obama does NOT release it because he can NOT. It either doesn't exist and/or its absence or existence would be the cause for criminal prosecution and removal from the White House.
Again. It really is that simple!
If Obama believes that he has proven his natural born status, he is delusional. An Internet copy of a COLB and questionable Internet postings of newspaper announcements is certainly not the **best** or **all** of the evidence. Evidence like this won't even get you a driver's license or on the Little League here in my state.
If you have any doubts as to her kookiness, you can go to her website, where she says that, now that she lost in the Supreme Court, she will "appeal to the international courts."
But your hyperbole refuses to acknowledge the point. If Obama did authorize his campaign to get that COLB from Hawaii, he knows it's legitimate. He knows the information Hawaii has is legitimate. He put it on a website simply as a courtesy, since he's not obliged to prove anything to you.
Now, if that is true, why would he consider you anything but either a nut or someone who's so emotionally invested in his not being legitimate that you'd imagine something wrong with any information he provided? Why, then, would he waste any time on you?
Didn’t she already ask the UN for protection once?
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