High court turns away appeal from 'birther' leader

Associated Press ^ | January 10, 2011 | Associated Press

[Lurking Libertarian]

The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from a lawyer who has been in the forefront of the challenge to President Barack Obama's citizenship.

The high court on Monday did not comment in refusing to hear the appeal filed by California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz. She was contesting a $20,000 fine for filing what a federal judge determined was a frivolous lawsuit.

[El Sordo]

I notice you skipped any mention of Little League...

Hmmmm....

[Fantasywriter]

“It simply means that your parroted pretensions of self importance and righteousness mean nothing to anyone but you. That’s true of most delusions. If all they do is upset you, you should probably find a new hobby.”

This seems unconstructively instuling and personal. If it’s a level of discourse you want to defend and promote, so be it.

[Fantasywriter]

GMTA. I responded to a post just the other day asking if Obama had set the new norm for the DMV. Iow, when they ask for my official, long form BC, should I answer, “Oh, you kooky birthers. I have better things to do than give you my BC”.

Lol.

[tired_old_conservative]

Seems accurate to me, and I stand by it. As El Sordo noted, when one finds the truth insulting, the appropriate response is introspection.

[Fantasywriter]

Thanks for giving me a clear example of your idea of Uninsulting, non-personal discourse. I will ignore your posts henceforth.

[tired_old_conservative]

Thanks for giving me a clear example of your idea of Uninsulting, non-personal discourse. I will ignore your posts henceforth.

If that is the extent of your critical faculties, please do.

And if wintertime ever manages to grasp the undeniable and simple fact that a COLB can be every bit as valid a legal record of birth as a long form birth certificate, he will find I can be quite polite.

[El Sordo]

Tell you what.

If you think that this is a poor level of discourse, next time there is a big birther thread. Go and post something critical or skeptical of birthers and see what kind of treatment you get.

[jamese777]

The Republican administration, as you call it consists of Linda Lingle and Chiyome Fukino. Lingle made a couple of comments on a radio show a long time AFTER the controversy had been around. Fukino made three very carefully worded public statements that each avoided declaring Obama’s alleged COLB to be legitimate. This is neither a ‘vigorous’ defense of original birth records or the legitimacy of Obama’s alleged COLB ... far from it.

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I don’t find it the least bit strange that a Republican Governor being forced to carry the water for a leftist Democrat who was running against her party’s candidates would not be “vigorous” in her defense of the facts. I would describe Governor Lingle’s tone in her radio interview as “begrudgingly frustrated.”
I’m betting that there was nothing in the world that Governor Lingle would have rather done than expose Obama as a fraud and force his withdrawal from the presidential race but the facts just didn’t give her that opportunity.

Perhaps Obama was really born in Canada but his grandparents bribed a Health Bureau official back in 1961 to insert a Hawaii birth certificate in the files for him. Hawai’i is a very “hang loose” place. So when Fukino and Lingle say that there is a Hawaii birth certificate in the files for him, they are telling the truth because it is there and it says exactly what they have reported it as saying.

When a Governor is speaking on an issue, the Governor represents the state and the state administration. On a state level, no official can be more authoritative than the Governor.
Governor Lingle’s key statements were:
(1)”...and so I had my health director who is a physician by background, go and personally view the birth certificate in the birth records nof the Department of Health,”.
(2)”..and that’s just a fact.”
(3)”It’s been established. He was born here.”

Dr. Fukino’s key statement was:
(1)”...verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born American citizen.”

[El Sordo]

Yes or no question.

That first time you went to the DMV and was told you needed an official birth certificate, did you have any form of birth certificate to present to them?

[jamese777]

I’m sorry. Did I use a word you don’t understand?? Please look up the word “demonstrably.”

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de·mon·stra·bly/Adverb: Clearly and undeniably: “the situation is demonstrably unfair”

Gee, if your personal opinion is so “clear” and “undeniable” why has it had absolutely no impact on any of the events involving Obama’s eligibility?

[TNTNT]

It is obvious that the statements and defense by the Hawaiian Republican Administration were vigorous enough for most rational persons, and Congress including the Speaker of the House, John Boehner. Whether it was vigorous enough for you, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The one body who could initiate an action against Obama is Congress and they seem satisfied with Hawaii's response.

[wintertime]

Fact: The only evidence presented by Obama to the military officers, and others with polite requests, have been Internet images. Try getting on the Little League or a driver's license with that!

Fact: Obama has gone to considerable effort and expense using private and tax paid attorneys to prevent the release of best evidence that would prove or disprove his natural born citizenship.

Fact: A **real** natural born American born citizen would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with **all** of the best evidence that he is eligible to occupy the White House and command troops.

Personally,...I have concluded that Obama hasn't released these documents because he can't. They would likely prove that he is a criminal fraud and not a natural born citizen.

[The Pack Knight]

I did read it and understand it, but I believe that either what you said isn't entirely accurate or that the people at the DMV don't know what they're talking about. I believe that they said "official" and even "raised-seal" - those traits are consistent with a certified copy. Frankly, I doubt that they actually used the term "long form". If the clerk at the DMV actually said they would not accept a certified copy of your birth certificate, he's wrong. If the supervisor "backed the clerk to the hilt" on that point, then he's wrong too. They would hardly be the first government functionaries to be mistaken about the actual laws and rules they're supposed to be enforcing.

The Georgia Department of Driver Services website says that they accept a certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a United States jurisdiction as proof of citizenship. The Georgia Driver's manual published by the Department of Driver Services says that they accept a birth certificate issued by a United States jurisdiction as proof of citizenship. The very text of Department of Driver Services Rule 375-3-1-.02(6)(a) states that:

In order to prove United States citizenship, an applicant for an initial Georgia driver's license, permit or identification card shall furnish one of the following as proof thereof:

1. Original birth certificate issued by a United States jurisdiction;
2. Certified copy of birth certificate issued by a United States jurisdiction;
3. Valid United States passport;
4. Original certificate of citizenship (Form N560);
5. Certified copy of certificate of citizenship (Form N560);
6. Original certificate of naturalization (Form N550);
7. Certified copy of certificate of naturalization (Form N550).

So, I can believe either A) what you say a DMV clerk told you after you apparently showed up without any type of birth certificate or proof of citizenship, or B) what I'm reading with my own eyes from the Georgia DDS website, driver's manual, and rules and regulations. Sorry, but I think I'm going to have to go with B.

[Fantasywriter]

I was there; you weren’t. I was told, repeatedly [as was my son, in a separate GA DMV venue] in plain, clear English what was required in order to receive a GA driver’s license. I am not deaf or stupid, but it wasn’t rocket surgery anyway. It was spelled out it to me, with repeated, painful, simple and immovable clarity, that the ONLY way I could get a GA driver’s license was to obtain an official, long form BC. Apparently that bothers you. So be it. I know what happened and have honestly reported it. I’m sorry it bugs you so much. That’s just life.

[wintertime]

Facts are facts, El Sordo.

Fact: Internet images will not get any kid on a Little League or a driver's license...NOT... in my state. But...Hey! You are welcome to try! :-)

Fact: A real natural born American president wouldn't be acting like Obama. A **real** American natural born president would be HONORED to nod his head to his secretary and promptly release **all** of the best evidence that would prove his natural born citizenship. He would especially do this for the morale of the troops.

Fact: Obama, instead of nodding his head to his secretary, has gone to some expense and effort to prevent the release of **COMMON** documents. Unanointed Americans release these **common** documents for far, far, far less critical reasons than being Commander in Chief of the world's most powerful military in the history of humankind.

Personally,....I have concluded that Obama’s behavior is bizarre! He likely is not releasing these documents because to do so would prove that he is a criminal fraud and a usurper.

[The Pack Knight]

So that's why they cut me! And all these years I thought it was because I kept throwing high inside fastballs and beaned three hitters in tryouts.

(What can I say? Nolan Ryan was a hero of mine.)

[The Pack Knight]

Fact: The only evidence presented by Obama to the military officers, and others with polite requests, have been Internet images. Try getting on the Little League or a driver's license with that!

So he should send you a hard copy personally?

Fact: Obama has gone to considerable effort and expense using private and tax paid attorneys to prevent the release of best evidence that would prove or disprove his natural born citizenship.

People who get sued tend to defend themselves in court. I despise Obama as a person and as a politician, but I can hardly fault him for that.

Fact: A **real** natural born American born citizen would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with **all** of the best evidence that he is eligible to occupy the White House and command troops.

I'm a real natural born American born citizen, and if a bunch of kooks kept claiming that I wasn't born where my birth certificate says I was born after I posted multiple images of it on the internet and pointed out my contemporaneous birth announcement in the local paper, I'd probably just tell them to go pound sand. I certainly don't think I'd be in much of a hurry to get my political opponents to stop making asses of themselves or to stop wasting money on pointless litigation.

Personally,...I have concluded that Obama hasn't released these documents because he can't. They would likely prove that he is a criminal fraud and not a natural born citizen.

Until I see some actual evidence to the contrary, I'm going to have to disagree with that conclusion.

[The Pack Knight]

And I just showed you, in black and white, what Georgia DDS rules were. Either they’re wrong about the rule, or you’re wrong about what they said. I don’t have to have been there to know that the story you are telling me is inconsistent with published DDS regulations.

[El Sordo]

Have you considered the fact that the presentations of the COLB on the Internet were intended as informational and not as any kind of attempt to provide a legal validation of anything?

Or that if any case ever actually went to court, the actual COLB shown on the Internet could be submitted as evidence and that would settle it?

Or that since BHO has satisfied everybody he needs to satisfy on this matter he doesn't feel any need to try to satisfy a group of folks who likely wouldn't believe him anyway and still wouldn't vote for him if they did?

[El Sordo]

Yes or no question.

That first time you went to the DMV and was told you needed an official birth certificate, did you have ANY form of birth certificate to present to them at the time?