Posted on 01/10/2011 8:35:17 AM PST by SE Mom
At 2:00 a.m. on Saturday—about eight hours before he allegedly killed six people and wounded 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), in Tucson—Jared Lee Loughner phoned an old and close friend with whom he had gone to high school and college. The friend, Bryce Tierney, was up late watching TV, but he didn't answer the call. When he later checked his voice mail, he heard a simple message from Loughner: "Hey man, it's Jared. Me and you had good times. Peace out. Later."
That was it. But later in the day, when Tierney first heard about the Tucson massacre, he had a sickening feeling: "They hadn't released the name, but I said, 'Holy shit, I think it's Jared that did it.'" ...
In messages on MySpace last month, Loughner declared, "I'll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow." He also noted on the website, "I don't feel good: I'm ready to kill a police officer! I can say it." ...
"I think the reason he did it was mainly to just promote chaos. He wanted the media to freak out about this whole thing. He wanted exactly what's happening. He wants all of that."
(Excerpt) Read more at motherjones.com ...
I wish the wacky Palin Poster wasn’t so expensive! I’d love to have one. It’s hilarious!
Exactly. Too many people are trying to “understand” this guy.
He was freaking nuts is about all that is needed to be understood.
And it's sick that some are trying to use to political advantage.
“That’s it! Art Bell and George Noory are to blame. That lucid dreaming stuff comes straight off Coast-to-Coast. Hahahaha...yeppers, talk radio is to blame. The media just pinned it on the wrong show. Snicker... “
Actually, that’s incorrect! Bell may have talked about it, but,,, it’s straight out of Carlos Castenada’s 1968 book, “The Teachings of Don Juan.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Teachings_of_Don_Juan
We demand to see his T-shirt collection!
You know if he had a Sarah Palin shirt or even one with “Alaska” on it, we’d be seeing that all over the news.
The left has CERTAINLY jumped the shark.
True, and it led to countless individual and, occasionally as in Arizona, mass tragedies. Estimates are that about 1% of babies born each year will develop schizophrenia. In the United States there are about 4 million babies born each year. Approximately 40,000 will become schizophrenic. Most of them do not harm anyone except themselves. About half smoke pot and become addicted to other drugs, including alcohol. Also about half wind up committing suicide. Large numbers are homeless. Some, perhaps those with less severe cases, do get treatment and are able to lead reasonably normal lives as long as they take their meds. The greatest tragedy of all is that some wind up like Loughner, severely delusional and trying to commit suicide by cop while taking as many innocent people with them as possible.
One serious misconception about schizophrenics is that they are incapable of doing seemingly normal things like make plans, and that planning indicates they know right from wrong. Schizophrenics can make very elaborate plans, but they are motivated by genuine delusions, and their plans, while seemingly coherent, really are nonsensical.
At some point, parents (even seemingly good ones) seem to have no influence over these types.
Lucid dreaming is a big topic on Coast-to-Coast. :)
See my post # 103
No prior arrests or convictions or outstanding warrants. Never committed to a mental institution or judged mentally deficient or incompetent to handle his own affairs. Never failed a drug test that was reported to legal authorities. Never dishonorably discharged from the military. A citizen and in the country legally. Not a fugitive. Never tried to renounce US citizenship. No restraining orders or record of family abuse. Result = he passed the test.
If there was a flaw in the system, it's that rejection by the military, possibly for a failed drug test, apparently doesn't get reported to the FBI system. Beyond that, though, they aren't going to keep track of everybody who's ever acted crazy. There are too many of them, deciding who's crazy can be subjective, and there are a lot of lawyers and civil libertarians who'd mount challenges to such reporting, judging, record-keeping, and denial of rights.
Years ago, though, when Arizona's population was a lot smaller and people knew each other, you could suppose that it would get around that that crazy kid from the college tried to buy a gun and perhaps he wouldn't have been sold one. In a much larger and more impersonal world it's hard to turn away a customer like that. Chances are the vendor doesn't know anything about the prospective customer, and there are always other stores.
“Lucid dreaming is a big topic on Coast-to-Coast. “
I’m sure it is,,, but the first I ever came across it was in Castenada’s book in 1968. It was a book all of us freaks read back then. Almost every college student had a copy.
Now the crime makes “sense” in terms of how and why Gabrielle Giffords crossed paths with and attracted the obsessive attention of violent schizophrenic
If he was making threats and people knew and no one reported it, that would also be another failure in the system. With a conviction or a restraining order on his record, he wouldn’t have been able to get the gun.
He is getting what he wanted. Global attention.
Think I'm kidding? Check out the process of involuntary psychiatric commitment of a teenager who really hasn't (yet) harmed anyone, and the out-of-pocket costs of doing do
As with an alcoholic, out patient diagnosis treatment and management of mental illness requires that the patient accept his illness and want to get well-
From what I am reading it is doubtful that Jared accepted he was sick, but lived the obsession that the rest of society was screwed up
The onset in his teenage years, voices in his head, obsessive habits, suggest schizophrenia
the pot smoking as a HS freshman etc may have induced additional psychosis, yes it is a side effect of what many believe to be a harmless pastime
The process of involuntary commitment of a teenager starts with the teen being assessed as a danger to himself or others. If has hasn't harmed anyone or threatened suicide good luck finding a DR who will commit him and good luck in finding a bed in a psych inpatient ward
As sad as it is, his parents may feel some relief that Jared will finally get the help he needs and be locked up to protect himself and others
Have you even any idea how many millions (I would guess) of teenage kids express violent fantasies that come to naught?
These behaviors in fact make rich men of many so-called rap stars
ICCtheWay wrote:
The shooter (as I choose to call him)
Don’t you mean “SUSPECTED” shooter?
/tweak
//just messing with you, cause I thought it funny how none of the press is saying he’s a “suspect”, like the Fort Hood “suspected” shooter...
///liberal press Apple Hoisters....
I’ve read quite a few times here at FR that the sheriff had received multiple reports of him having made death threats. But no mention of anything happening to him as a consequence.
I think that the store where he purchased the Glock is called Sportsman’s Authority, and the manager was quoted as saying that the FBI check came back immediately, that he was cleared to buy the gun in no time at all.
I get it... I noticed FoxNews - at least this morning was not using ‘suspect’ - they even said killer one time I think.
Yeah - ‘Suspect’ - Yeah Right... the guy who whacked the shooter with a chair - smacked the wrong guy I suppose... and the two other men who slammed him from behind knocking the shooter down and other guy who picked up the gun and the woman who wrestled the extra ammo magazine from the shooter’s hand when he pulled it out of his pocket... GUESS they all got the wrong guy... imagine that... from three feet away they jumped on the wrong guy /s WOW!
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