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Exclusive: Jared Loughner Radically Changed Before Alleged Shooting, Friend Says
ABC News ^ | Jan 9 2911 | Lee Ferran, Jason Ryan, Emily Friedman and Richard Esposito

Posted on 01/09/2011 4:31:34 PM PST by worst-case scenario

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To: DoughtyOne
The Sheriff has some serious questions about his ability to protect his constituents.

If we had a real media , this idiot would have a serious inquiry into what he knew about this young man.

21 posted on 01/09/2011 4:54:56 PM PST by scooby321
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To: DoughtyOne

I have one more thing for change of the Radical Left:

#8. Pray to the Lord your God and Jesus Christ each morning before you do anything else in your day.


22 posted on 01/09/2011 4:55:51 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: NoLibZone
Yes, and then lashed out at innocent people engaging in Free Speech.

I'm becoming convinced that the best way to spot a liberal is to look at the other end of a blame finger.

23 posted on 01/09/2011 4:56:15 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Fear God and Government - especially when one tries to become the other!)
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To: MsLady; Tolsti2

***I knew pot caused brain cell death but, I didn’t know pot could cause that.***

Pot, Marajuana, AKA Hassish is the root word of (h)assassin.

The OLD MAN of THE MOUNTAINS used to get his followers high on this stuff, then release them to kill people.


24 posted on 01/09/2011 4:56:25 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: worst-case scenario

No slam. He sounds like he was self-medicating with pot and alcohol.

I wonder that his parents didn’t try to get him into some treatment or if they just couldn’t get an adult son to do anything.

He’s over 21. What could they do. I really pity them.


25 posted on 01/09/2011 5:02:33 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: HerrBlucher

I know alcohol can cause violence. I’ve been on the receiving end of that. I just thought pot made you all mellow. I didn’t realize that it was ever used that way.


26 posted on 01/09/2011 5:02:54 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: worst-case scenario

All will be clear when they find his gay mentor.


27 posted on 01/09/2011 5:06:43 PM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: MsLady; Tolsti2; mlizzy; HerrBlucher; OpusatFR

Here are the facts on schizophrenia and marijuana:

“Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop illnesses such as schizophrenia. Other research has backed this up, showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to 700% for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed).

Additionally, the younger a person smokes/uses cannabis, the higher the risk for schizophrenia, and the worse the schizophrenia is when the person does develop it. Research by psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of cannabis being a factor in up to 80 percent of schizophrenia cases.”

“Professor John Henry, clinical toxicologist at Imperial College London said research has shown that people with a certain genetic makeup who use the drug face a ten times (1000%) higher risk of schizophrenia. “

“Without the effects of the drug [marijuana], such a person might live their whole life without ever experiencing mental health problems. It has been estimated, for example, that between 8% and 13% of people that have schizophrenia today would never have developed the illness without exposure to cannabis.”

http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html

The idea that marijuana is harmless is a myth. There are a lot of users that would like it to be harmless and have warped the public perception of it - just like libs do with so many other pet issues.

Please pass this on to people who might benefit. Thanks.


28 posted on 01/09/2011 5:07:00 PM PST by helpfulresearcher (Bipartisanship: The PC Term for Collaboration with the Enemy)
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To: Tolsti2

“something that’s known to trigger schizophrenia”

OMG,, you said “trigger”. Now some nut is going to read your words and it’s going to light his fuse! Oh crap,, now i’ve done it too! Just be careful,, we must all learn to speak literally. We can only use trigger if we want someone shot. We can only use lit fuses for bombs.

Careful everybody,, Oh, and never oppose democrats. It is apparently something very bad called “vitriol”.


29 posted on 01/09/2011 5:08:49 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: scooby321

I have little patience for this sheriff. He can’t protect his constituents. He can react after crime and apprehend the perps and make them available to be brought to trial. More than that is unrealistic.

I’m just sorry nobody was there that had a concealed weapon, who could have ended this by the time the guy had fired his third shot.

None the less, this Sheriff wants stricter gun control.

Law abiding citizens won’t have them and criminals will. They always will.


30 posted on 01/09/2011 5:09:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail the Kenyan Prince Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: helpfulresearcher

People use proganda for it very successfully. Look on here, you’ll see tons defending it and saying ‘there’s no evidence’ right after you give them links to the evidence that it’s bad news.

Potheads are almost always completely delusional about their problem.


31 posted on 01/09/2011 5:09:52 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: mlizzy

He was a pothead which does trigger schizophrenia. But the MSM would never tell you that. Ohhhhhhh nooooooo. They want you to think of it as organic. Herbal. Harmless.

Bullcrap.


32 posted on 01/09/2011 5:11:05 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: worst-case scenario
"Liberalism IS a mental disorder"
33 posted on 01/09/2011 5:12:26 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: worst-case scenario
Slam me all you want, but it's increasingly obvious this was an unhinged, unmedicated adult-onset schizophrenic.

No reason to slam you since it's all but certainly true. It would take a competent psychiatrist to make a clinical diagnosis, but certainly all the signs point in that direction. The tragedy of schizophrenia is that it is a disease that afflicts late teens to young adults, and is incurable. Unlike many syndromes, schizophrenia is a genuine, physical disease of the brain.

About half of all schizophrenic people are also drug users, but it is unknown if drug abuse is a causative to or a result of the disease.

34 posted on 01/09/2011 5:13:50 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: helpfulresearcher

Who on this thread is saying marijuana is harmless, or even hinted at it?


35 posted on 01/09/2011 5:15:58 PM PST by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: helpfulresearcher

“Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop illnesses such as schizophrenia. Other research has backed this up, showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to 700% for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed).”

is that just a correlation, or did they establish a mechanism of causality? It would seem expected to me that a 15 year old, with a very early, almost imperceptable, slide into schizophrenic madness, would use a depressant to quiet the growing inner storm. Pot would be the trick, and probably easier for most kids to get than alcohol.


36 posted on 01/09/2011 5:21:20 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: MsLady

“I’m assuming illegal drugs of some sort?”

Or halal meat.


37 posted on 01/09/2011 5:22:19 PM PST by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: newfreep
So a Liberal Democrat shot a not so liberal democrat, and this is news. Radical non producing, not my fault, my father did not love me, am I my brothers keeper, etc etc. killing the rest of us has been going on since Cane killed Able.
Recent (and feel free to add yr own) Ted Bundy, mail bomber, OKC bomber, Too many to list muzzies who could be DNC speech writers,
Donks are very good at stealing your money, killing your kin, and writing about how its all your fault. You don't care, spend enough, and Sara is the Devil.
Well F em. Sorry about the families who have to grieve about another crazy Democrat, But this has to stop.
38 posted on 01/09/2011 5:28:13 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: DesertRhino

looks like a pretty clear example of post hoc ergo propter hoc to me. I can’t see how blaming it on pot is any different from blaming it on Sarah Palin, but our side has it’s share of idiots too.


39 posted on 01/09/2011 5:28:43 PM PST by cdcdawg
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To: HerrBlucher

Not to mention, they say that to call todays product “pot”, implying it’s the same thing farm kids smoked in the 40s is a huge stretch. The THC level of todays stuff is astronomically higher. Parents who know their kid smokes it, and kind of laugh it off as something they did a few decades ago are making a big mistake.


40 posted on 01/09/2011 5:28:54 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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