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Peter King calls for 'intelligent debate'
Politico ^ | January 4, 2011 | JENNIFER EPSTEIN

Posted on 01/04/2011 10:32:49 AM PST by yoe

Rep. Peter King says that Republicans must have an “intelligent debate” over their opposition to the health care reform law and other policies backed by President Barack Obama, rather than stonewalling Democrats without discussion for the next two years.

A frequent Obama critic, the New York Republican said that his party must use substantive arguments to push back against the president. “Republicans have to conduct an intelligent debate, we have to show we're not just against President Obama and everything he does,” King said Monday night on Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor." Rep. Peter King says that Republicans must have an “intelligent debate” over their opposition to the health care reform law and other policies backed by President Barack Obama, rather than stonewalling Democrats without discussion for the next two years.

The House GOP is (House to vote on health care law repeal next week)

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/46985.html#ixzz1A5kSBNA8) to repeal the new health care law, an effort that's expected to go nowhere with the Senate and White House. But King believes there's more than symbolism at stake.

“This is a fight worth having,” said King, the incoming chairman of the Homeland Security Committee. It's a debate worth having. And I think it's going to frame the national debate for the next two years.”

King added he hopes the vote will open up a broader discussion of what the American health care system ought to look like. “I think we have to clear the slate and then show how we are going to replace it step-by-step,” he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News
KEYWORDS: commiecare; deathcare; kingrino; peterking
The Obama Care bill has to be repealed as it is written. Granted there are a few plumbs in the 2000+ page pile of ill conceived rules and regulations, but the rest must be trashed and a clear and concise start must be made on America's Health Care System where everything is as clear as water/air....no more gobble gook! The First thing that must go are the "End Of Life Discussions....." so favored by the Obama Progressive Death Squads who find logic in mass "murder" to save money.

Become Active in this effort to keep our good health care systems and common sense changes where needed in the rest. Keep your Congressmen and Senators feet in the fire on this one.....think of the money and time wasted by the Obama people because of the silly Progressive dream of Obama and his base to Socialize our medical system. To heck with those nits....full steam ahead to restoring American Values....not Obama's Socialism.

1 posted on 01/04/2011 10:32:53 AM PST by yoe
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To: yoe
"Peter King calls for 'intelligent debate' "

Hummmm, wonder where he'll find any participants.....
2 posted on 01/04/2011 10:35:59 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: FrankR

I cannot imagine Peter King doing anything intelligent IF there is a camera somewhere close to him.

And if there is someone between him and said camera, all you will see is A**holes and Elbows as he shoves them aside.

So there goes any hope for an intelligent debate.


3 posted on 01/04/2011 10:41:24 AM PST by Tupelo
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To: FrankR

Certainly not on O’Reilly’s show.

After King BOR had a nimrod RAT congressman from NJ on for “balance” and the nimrods first words were that the American people want us focused on jobs, not healthcare.

Of course O’Bloviator wassn’t bright or quick enough to ask where this notion came from, since the nimrod and his colleagues in Congress have spent most of their time on healthcare for the past 2 years.


4 posted on 01/04/2011 10:44:02 AM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: yoe
Debating socialist takeover of health care is like debating about what is obvious..
Federal socialism is UNconstitutional.. to any extent..

The State governments can be socialist legally.. individually..
BUT, federal government socialism is illegal.. and unconstitutional..

5 posted on 01/04/2011 10:44:25 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: yoe

“Intelligent debate” means “Democrats and Commies win!”


6 posted on 01/04/2011 10:47:39 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (The future? Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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To: yoe

“Intelligent debate” is for poopy-heads.


7 posted on 01/04/2011 10:49:59 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: hosepipe

Private property is a natural right of man and is protected by the US Constitution.

So, no, a State could not go socialist under the US Constitution and declare that all agriculture and business will now be owned and operated by the State (socialism).


8 posted on 01/04/2011 10:50:19 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: yoe
Rep. Peter King says that Republicans must have an “intelligent debate” over their opposition to the health care reform law and other policies backed by President Barack Obama, rather than stonewalling Democrats without discussion for the next two years.

Yes.. and it should be done in the manner that the Dems did it over the past two years. That is, it should be conducted in the secrecy of backrooms and the oppostion party should be completely locked out of the process. Hey, if the Dems can do it that way, so can the GOP, right?
9 posted on 01/04/2011 10:51:42 AM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: yoe

He’s reading the polls: some provisions of the bill have 60-70% support - the strongest opposition is to the mandates.

Unless realistic alternatives are offered, Lib Democrats will keep offering amendments to force conservatives to go on record as “opposing” the popular provisions.


10 posted on 01/04/2011 10:52:25 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: hosepipe
The State governments can be socialist legally.. individually.. BUT, federal government socialism is illegal.. and unconstitutional..

Not even the states can. From the Constitution, Article IV: Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government...

Republican implies self-government. It means people helping themselves, not government taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

11 posted on 01/04/2011 10:52:28 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (The future? Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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To: allmendream
[ So, no, a State could not go socialist under the US Constitution ]

I did Not say communist I said socialist..
Although communism is socialism, socialism is not necessarily communism..
There are degrees of socialism..

12 posted on 01/04/2011 11:09:02 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: yoe

We’ve had one for the past two years, Peter King.

It pisses me off when even reasonably articulate guys on our side like King act as if we didn’t present a slew of alternatives on this issue. Everyone on our side needs to be clear....we presented a different approach, the Democrats ignored us and rammed through a bill opposed by 60% of the country.


13 posted on 01/04/2011 11:11:42 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: backwoods-engineer
[ Republican implies self-government. ]

Each State has their own constitution.. or charter..
Federal Constitution over-reach is not only possible it is probable.
Not only probable but currently in effect..

Allowing the federal gov't "owning" any land except Washington D.C. is in your face over-reach..
Even Washington D.C. is "leased" not owned..
Washington D.C. is an intellectual(political) construct.. only the States are "REAL"(actual)..

The problems START when the federal gov't is treated as actual(REAL)..

14 posted on 01/04/2011 11:19:23 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Socialism is Communism sold by the glass.

My point is that there is, under our Constitution, a limit to socialism and socialist endeavors at both the Federal AND State levels.


15 posted on 01/04/2011 11:24:42 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: yoe

Unfortunately, in Obama’s case, to defend the Republic everything he does HAS to be opposed.


16 posted on 01/04/2011 12:38:29 PM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: allmendream
One would hope.. but some never put the dominoes together on the socialist thing..
Some never really think things out..

Democrats are inherently like that but RINOs have no excuse..
Politically lazy is next to intellectually deluded..

17 posted on 01/04/2011 12:44:15 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: allmendream
So, no, a State could not go socialist under the US Constitution and declare that all agriculture and business will now be owned and operated by the State (socialism).

Maybe but the Feds ARE doing it by taking over land through regulation. You may own and pay taxes the the govt tells you how you can use it... same thing as them owning it.

18 posted on 01/04/2011 12:50:39 PM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Seruzawa

Yes, but under the subject of what is and what is not Constitutional, what the government is and is not actually doing is almost an afterthought.

My point is that socialism is Unconstitutional at either the State or Federal level, not that it isn’t happening, but that it is Unconstitutional.


19 posted on 01/04/2011 12:52:43 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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