Posted on 12/21/2010 7:54:11 AM PST by Fury
Republican opposition to New START is collapsing. One Senate source just told me the vote for ratification could go as high as 75. Another said, “I don’t know if it will get that high, but it’s starting to tick up there.” As the sense builds that ratification is inevitable, Republicans are lining up to get on the “right side.” Lamar Alexander’s support, noted below, is a crucial sign of which way the wind is blowing, although he’ll probably be the only member of the Republican leadership to vote for it. At least Jon Kyl was able to get more money for modernization and that letter from President Obama making assurances on missile defense. Otherwise, this is a dismaying rout.
Very crappy deal.
Repealing DADT and approving New START -— during a time of war which we fight on behalf of the whole free world -— sends a MESSAGE OF WEAKNESS.
The Senate is doing the bidding of the Democrats and their anti-American masters.
It didn’t need to be this way. National security should NEVER be a bargaining chip.
I told them to remember NOVEMBER.
Poppycock. They are better. But they aren’t what they need to be. Let’s work on reshaping them with new blood until they are.
“Kissinger, Schultz, Baker, Rice, Powell, Scowcroft, Gates, GHW Bush.”
These people are now all dead to us. Their once conservative gravitas no longer matters to conservatives and patriotic Americans. All friends and supporters of Obama and any of his policies are now enemies of the Republic.
The problem is they are taking us, America, with them...
“Just take names and remember in 2012, 2014 or 2016, if we get there.”
That’s exactly what I’m going to do and I’ll support any true conservative running against these traitors.
EODGUY
The Obama Administration has decided to do the DREAM act through executive order.
Anyone who thinks that these guys voted for START without the tacit approval of the GOP leadership is hopelessly naive. McConnell and his buddies sat behind closed doors and decided which Senators would best be positioned to vote with the Dems so that it would pass, while permitting others to pretend to oppose the treaty. That’s why we see a weird collection of RINO’s from purple states (Snowe, Collins, Brown, Kirk, Lugar) and those from red states who have already decided (or will decide) to retire before the next election. American conservatives are being played for fools in thinking that this was actually a close vote and that McConnell, McCain, Graham, Kyl actually oppposed the deal. They just decided that they couldn’t afford the political heat at this point in time and let someone else take the lead.
From Ben Fake-lin:
“Anti-reality?
All the realists have been trotted out in support. Kissinger, Schultz, Baker, Rice, Powell, Scowcroft, Gates, GHW Bush.
Everyone that was involved in the first START treaty”
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And nearly every name you’ve listed there are RINOs! It is quite obvious that your position is as follows:
“NeoCons” = conservatives/Tea Party
“realists” = RINOs
Your view of the START “Treaty” falls right in line with Obama, every leftist Democrat, and a handful of RINOs and you seem all too happy to vote with them to compromise our national defense without ever even having seen ANY of the treaty negotiation records with the Russians. You are a complete phony and very clearly NOT a conservative.
“A pox on both parties.”
Yup. The ‘parties’ are nothing more than machines designed to prevail in elections. They exist, and have gotten progressively worse, for many rationales, for which ultimately the most common denominator is ‘winning’ office. Wish we could know as, ‘the fly on the wall’, a full accounting of all the deals that have lead to the GOP caving on this one, which appears not to include much in particular that will enhance US security.
Since the vote was put off until tomorrow, MORE calls are needed in the AM. With a stronger REMEMBER NOV. and WE are keeping records of your pro bambi agenda, anti Constitution, oath breaking votes.
JUST go home for Christmas and let the next congress deal with it.
From Ben Ficklin:
“It’s not amazing. You NeoCons lost.
The Republican Foreign Policy Realists support the treaty and the NeoCons such as yourself opposed it.
It is a big powerplay, the NeoCons trying to assert themselves and say that they control foreign policy positions taken by the GOP.”
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My response:
“Hey, pal, your gross and misguided use of the word “NeoCon” as some sort of a pejorative to negatively label the sensible among us who have VERY legitimate reasons to strongly oppose the START treaty as a genuine threat to American sovereignty and national defense makes you sound like nothing more than a DU or Daily Kos troll. Perhaps Mr. Robinson should look into your comments a little further to determine if you should even be posting on Free Republic in the first place.”
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Ben Ficklin’s lame response:
“If the shoe fits, wear it.”
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My final response:
You’ve once again proven my point that you are either a DU or Daily Kos troll poorly disguised as a “Freeper” or, at best, you are a RINO apologist. I don’t think either qualifies for being able to post on Free Republic, especially when you’re taking it upon yourself to openly deride all the pro-national defense, anti-Communist, and freedom-loving people on this forum who sensibly oppose this treaty by pejoratively calling them “NeoCons”.
You are a clear ZOT candidate if I’ve ever seen one.
Actually, the term NeoConservative aka NeoCon was coined by the dems in the 1970s as a derogatory term of contempt to describe a group of liberal Jewish foreign policy hawks who left the democratic party to become conservative Jewish foreign policy hawks.
The leader of the group at the time was Irving Kristol(father of Bill Kristol) and he accepted the term to name his group.
Today, the group NeoCons includes other than Jews and they are still hawks but are also known as unilateralists, idealists, or empire builders, to name a few. One of their organizing principles is the Wolfowitz Doctrine.
On domestic issues they are sometimes called "big government" conservatives or compassionate conservatives.
That’s it. I haven’t got my keyboard trained yet.
Well Mr Newby I'Ve been here a long time annoying people like you and I've never been zotted, though I did once get a stern lecture for using some oilfield slang.
From Ben Ficklin:
“Today, the group NeoCons includes other than Jews and they are still hawks but are also known as unilateralists, idealists, or empire builders, to name a few. One of their organizing principles is the Wolfowitz Doctrine.
On domestic issues they are sometimes called “big government” conservatives or compassionate conservatives.”
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And yet the very Republicans you continually cite and applaud for supporting this horrible “treaty” are ALL considered big government “conservatives” or “compassionate conservatives”. That would make them “NeoCons” by your OWN definition. But you then turn around and lament these same people for being “realists” when in actuality they are doing nothing more than selling the sovereignty and national defense of this great country down the river, rather than wait until the next Congress is in session to analyze the treaty more thoroughly so that it gets done right.
Your self-contradictions are only making you further twist in the wind as you shamelessly continue to expose your anti-conservative colors.
Yes. Kept the redial busy, to McConnell, to Alexander, and to Corker. Thanks for the numbers.
This vote is less disconcerting than the Food Safety Bill passed in quiet on Sunday. A new administration will be more tied to that, as will the rest of us.
“Well Mr Newby I’Ve been here a long time annoying people like you and I’ve never been zotted, though I did once get a stern lecture for using some oilfield slang.”
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What the hell difference does it make how long I or anybody else has been here? Unlike you, I can at least say that no one has ever once questioned my conservative principles and views while I’ve been here.
Could the reason why you continually annoy people is because this is a forum for conservatives and you do not espouse conservative views yourself? Face it, you’ve once again been exposed for the complete phony that you are.
As of now, the NeoCons are putting everything they have into getting the empty vessel from Alaska elected prez in 2012 as they think she will put them in charge of US foreign policy.
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